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  • [QUOTE=jargen;34054110]As i have said it is only in there to cover our own ass. We have no intention of actually terminating someones account due to a DDoS attack. We have servers that can deal with this kind of attack.[/QUOTE] I'm struggling to see how your gonna protect my £1.60 4 slot game server from DDOS's, how can you ever make money from that. A business model that says from the outright it can protect against DDOS's would have to charge a lot more per slot to ever make money.
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  • [QUOTE=Bawbag;34054109]Right, so if you had a server which took an entire rack offline when getting attacked, you would expect a refund when the host suspended your server/nullrouted you and asked you to resolve the problem (Which you couldn't do)? Do you really think like that?[/QUOTE] When did I say suspend? I'm saying terminate. Terminate meaning cease to give access to someone. I've had my server shut off while it's been getting DDoSed before, it's standard that it happens. I'm talking about shitty hosts who will remove someones account because they keep getting DDoSed. Learn to read. "Cover your own ass" basically, again, is saying that you would rather fuck over a single person in order to protect the others. Face it, you're a group of amateurs who only care about making a quick buck. It's like Xenon all over again.
  • [QUOTE=Staneh;34048409]Ukgame is pretty good, It's also hosted in the UK, so that gives a good ping for the most of us in Europe. I don't know if it has DDos protection though.[/QUOTE] No, they are UKLame. Worst Provider ever, they have horrrible lag and it is probably the LEAST protected system. Infact there root password was at one point 'password' .... (Sources)
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  • [QUOTE=CrispexOps;34054213]When did I say suspend? I'm saying terminate. Terminate meaning cease to give access to someone. I've had my server shut off while it's been getting DDoSed before, it's standard that it happens. I'm talking about shitty hosts who will remove someones account because they keep getting DDoSed. Learn to read.[/QUOTE] Removing a service that loses you money is only natural to all companies.. The industry standard (as I've seen at webhostingtalk) is to give a period to allow the client to retrieve their data, and then part ways. [QUOTE=CrispexOps;34054213]"Cover your own ass" basically, again, is saying that you would rather fuck over a single person in order to protect the others. Face it, you're a group of amateurs who only care about making a quick buck. It's like Xenon all over again.[/QUOTE] So you would rather fuck over 15-50 clients on behalf of one client, instead of fucking over that one client? I'm glad you don't run a business.
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  • [quote]So you would rather fuck over 15-50 clients on behalf of one client, instead of fucking over that one client? I'm glad you don't run a business.[/quote] Actually, I previously ran a business which I later sold off. I ran a web hosting company called AffordableHost. We ran it for about 3 years and then sold it off to some German company, not sure how it's doing now. Regardless, any time we would be under DDoS, the box that was affected would be shut off. If the DDoSes against said box would not stop, we would give the client time to back up their data, and refund them for the most recent month paid for. The respectable thing to do. The shitty thing to do, is to only allow data backup (if that) and refuse to give refund. Every shitty game server host I've ever come accross has had the same objective. "We don't offer refunds for any reason." That's basically saying, "we'll take your money and whatever happens happens."
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  • Well, quick update. "another day, another DDoS" Anyway, thanks alot for the refund offer shepsie but your services are probably the best we can do in our current financial status and your support is epic. We can, pooling our money, pay up to £120 per month so if anyone has any suggestions... I do not know how to actually set up a gameserver and the cpanel.etc so I think we'd be willing to hire (?) to set it all up. I really don't see any other options for us at the moment, primarily we are worried about causing daemonservers trouble more than anything. Sorry about the grammar and spelling, I'm pretty shit with this touch screen keyboard!
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  • [QUOTE=Bambo.;34054869]Well, quick update. "another day, another DDoS" Anyway, thanks alot for the refund offer shepsie but your services are probably the best we can do in our current financial status and your support is epic. We can, pooling our money, pay up to £120 per month so if anyone has any suggestions... I do not know how to actually set up a gameserver and the cpanel.etc so I think we'd be willing to hire (?) to set it all up. I really don't see any other options for us at the moment, primarily we are worried about causing daemonservers trouble more than anything. Sorry about the grammar and spelling, I'm pretty shit with this touch screen keyboard![/QUOTE] A small attack earlier which started at 22:00 was mitigated ok with the use of filtering, they seemed to stop the attack when there attempt was doing nothing. [img]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7305/505f8efeebcf446da164734.png[/img]
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  • Well i'm not looking for live support, I'm really pleased with daemonservers. Until we get enough money to hire our own box, they are the best option. edit: Sorry i totally didn't read the chat in the post above!
  • Not advertising my own company here, look at [url]www.nfoservers.com[/url] they have 1gb lines and have a good knowledge on stopping DDoS attacks.
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  • [QUOTE=jargen;34063495]Not advertising my own company here, look at [url]www.nfoservers.com[/url] they have 1gb lines and have a good knowledge on stopping DDoS attacks.[/QUOTE] I asked them about it and they said they don't really do anything about DDoS attacks
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  • Btw I wasn't trying to make Vilayer look bad. Their Servers/Support is great (if you ignore the LiveChat). I do recommend them. [editline]5th January 2012[/editline] [url]http://www.vilayer.com/game-servers/game-bundles.html[/url]
  • [QUOTE=Banana Lord.;34064172]I asked them about it and they said they don't really do anything about DDoS attacks[/QUOTE] Really? I had a server with them and they handled the attacks quite well.
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  • [quote="NFOServers"]We have some protection against attacks but truthfully most of them an not be filtered out, some types can be stopped once they start though. [url]http://www.nfoservers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4931[/url][/quote]
  • [url]www.nfoservers.com[/url] Nfoservers has great support though and little lag.
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  • There is no game-server hosting provider that's willing or able to protect you against those kind of attacks. Especially since almost every host runs on 100mbit ports, and looking at the charts the port is easily maxed out. The easiest and cheapest way is to just wait it out. If you are looking for a a permanent solution you are looking for a dedicated server on a 1gbit port(preferably in a high quality datacenter such as ovh) . Setup with a virtual or hardware firewall to filter out exploits and port based attacks. The cheapest place where you could get such a server would be hetzner.de for around 80euro's a month
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  • [QUOTE=OldFusion;34091357]There is no game-server hosting provider that's willing or able to protect you against those kind of attacks. Especially since almost every host runs on 100mbit ports, and looking at the charts the port is easily maxed out. The easiest and cheapest way is to just wait it out. If you are looking for a a permanent solution you are looking for a dedicated server on a 1gbit port(preferably in a high quality datacenter such as ovh) . Setup with a virtual or hardware firewall to filter out exploits and port based attacks. The cheapest place where you could get such a server would be hetzner.de for around 80euro's a month[/QUOTE] Ideally somewhere that gives plenty of bandwidth, as a 1GB attack will eat through 3TB in about 45minutes. But for that you will have to pay more and some hosts will null route you if you use too much.
  • [QUOTE=Shepsie;34091483]Ideally somewhere that gives plenty of bandwidth, as a 1GB attack will eat through 3TB in about 45minutes. But for that you will have to pay more and some hosts will null route you if you use too much.[/QUOTE] Tried just changing your server IP? Some attacks i have seen have been from attackers too stupid to change the IP they are attacking if the server moves IP away from the attack.
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  • Changing the IP is kind of letting the attacker win, as it will disrupt the community and all people who have joined so far will no longer see the IP.
  • [QUOTE=Shepsie;34091671]Changing the IP is kind of letting the attacker win, as it will disrupt the community and all people who have joined so far will no longer see the IP.[/QUOTE] And how is your server being down him not winning?
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  • [QUOTE=jargen;34091839]And how is your server being down him not winning?[/QUOTE] Assuming the attackers don't have mental disabilities the only thing you will lose is a big chunk of your player-base due lose of favorites.
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  • [QUOTE=Shepsie;34091483]Ideally somewhere that gives plenty of bandwidth, as a 1GB attack will eat through 3TB in about 45minutes. But for that you will have to pay more and some hosts will null route you if you use too much.[/QUOTE] hetzner and ovh don't charge for incoming bandwidth. That is how stonedpotatoes can run an anticheat that detects most cheats while not being utterly destroyed by it.
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  • [QUOTE=jargen;34091646]Tried just changing your server IP? Some attacks i have seen have been from attackers too stupid to change the IP they are attacking if the server moves IP away from the attack.[/QUOTE] You're supposed to be a host, and your "solution" is to ruin the server's publicity instead of taking 20 minutes to block the attack...
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  • We use ExodusHosting, but they don't offer DDOS Protection. NFO Servers, however, deals with DDOS attacks [u]very[/u] well.
  • Avatar of Bawbag
  • [QUOTE=flashdrive;34096655]You're supposed to be a host, and your "solution" is to ruin the server's publicity instead of taking 20 minutes to block the attack...[/QUOTE] Ok, how are you going to block a 500 IP 2gig/s attack?
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  • [QUOTE=Bawbag;34096889]Ok, how are you going to block a 500 IP 2gig/s attack?[/QUOTE] I think he meant these 80Mbit attacks...
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  • [QUOTE=Banana Lord.;34097043]I think he meant these 80Mbit attacks...[/QUOTE] If you've only got a 100mbit connection for your clients an 80mbit attack will ruin the service for the other clients.