• Few questions about cheaters.cfg
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  • [QUOTE=garry;35717797]No I've got my own system - thanks for the offer though[/QUOTE] >my own system >my own Because your system would only detect a small fraction of SethHack users, who are in reality all banned on at least one mainstream server. It makes sense that [b]your own system[/b] is only active on some servers.
  • [QUOTE=garry;35717443]Their TOS isn't worth shit.[/QUOTE] Just wondering Garry, does gmod have a specific ToS?
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  • [QUOTE=AppoCeurT;35718397]Just wondering Garry, does gmod have a specific ToS?[/QUOTE] Yes, it has: [url]http://garrysmod.com/terms[/url]
  • [QUOTE=pennerlord;35718447]Yes, it has: [url]http://garrysmod.com/terms[/url][/QUOTE] Thanks
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  • [QUOTE=garry;35717797]No I've got my own system - thanks for the offer though[/QUOTE] [url]http://db.tt/8kpBY2Sg[/url] also you should remove all the duped bans you have :S
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  • The updated cheaters.cfg has no duplicates. You must be looking at the older one. [code]banid 0 STEAM_0:0:24542076 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:11736063 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:26853786 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:4268664 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:22308446 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:47029807 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:27281484 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:25345204 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:40161943 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:18355021 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:31909554 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:6788895 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:14218119 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:41799917 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:20318952 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:31811639 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:10457218 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:38893214 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:31372055 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:12412908 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:28307108 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:26736765 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:48308696 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:20690416 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:48430247 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:38727026 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:10089448 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:13737877 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:25032393 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:25961258 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:46113191 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:26325520 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:14084529 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:43988463 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:36820593 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:15930135 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:29790222 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:10839552 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:48424005 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:12681987 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:41152155 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:32073049 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:23240412 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:23836998 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:21603250 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:38018800 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:24388264 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:34370714 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:14682870 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:37173161 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:16602699 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:33147875 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:17104852 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:45776064 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:3950924 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:31391445 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:32767364 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:17041504 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:15748061 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:48346538 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:39101463 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:24311352 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:37814204 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:27284598 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:46476374[/code]
  • Avatar of boxxyy
  • [QUOTE=Ruzza;35718730][url]http://db.tt/8kpBY2Sg[/url] also you should remove all the duped bans you have :S[/QUOTE] He didn't bother to check if people were there twice, he just copy/pasted all of the ban lists that were made by server-side anticheats.
  • [QUOTE=Teddi Orange;35710129]Garry can do far more than what communities can do to detect SH. I'm fairly sure he wouldn't put anything in that could have a huge margin of error.[/QUOTE] A completely global ban should have no margin of error in my opinion. However, I applaud you for finally doing something about SH garry.
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  • [QUOTE=Stabbish;35719660]A completely global ban should have no margin of error in my opinion.[/QUOTE] It's hardly an error, it had some duplicates.. not some false positives.
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  • [QUOTE=boxxyy;35719373]He didn't bother to check if people were there twice, he just copy/pasted all of the ban lists that were made by server-side anticheats.[/QUOTE] And you know this how? Why are you claiming things without proof/Garry's admittance?
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  • [QUOTE=boxxyy;35719373]He didn't bother to check if people were there twice, he just copy/pasted all of the ban lists that were made by server-side anticheats.[/QUOTE] The list that was originally shipped was shipped accidently - it included some ID's that were on the watchlist but that shouldn't be banned - yet. The updated list (check in your gcf) has a lot less ID's.
  • Avatar of garry
  • [QUOTE=boxxyy;35717888]>my own system >my own Because your system would only detect a small fraction of SethHack users, who are in reality all banned on at least one mainstream server. It makes sense that [b]your own system[/b] is only active on some servers.[/QUOTE] Weird how you know so much about a system I haven't talked about and only released 2 days ago.
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  • [QUOTE=garry;35719956]Weird how you know so much about a system I haven't talked about and only released 2 days ago.[/QUOTE] Just curious, will it still detect you on a VAC disabled server?
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  • [QUOTE=garry;35719956]Weird how you know so much about a system I haven't talked about and only released 2 days ago.[/QUOTE] It's not hard to compare "your" list to lists released here ages ago by server owners and people who took the liberty of going on popular communities' ban-lists. And if you made the anticheat yourself and it was used globally throughout Garry's Mod, it would detect all SethHack users, not just 30%.
  • I still think an option to disable this on your OWN server should be added. Like I said, I shall be activating it on all my servers but forcing this to activate isn't a great idea.
  • [QUOTE=boxxyy;35723015]It's not hard to compare "your" list to lists released here ages ago by server owners and people who took the liberty of going on popular communities' ban-lists. And if you made the anticheat yourself and it was used globally throughout Garry's Mod, it would detect all SethHack users, not just 30%.[/QUOTE]A list of customer's STEAM IDs was leaked from the sethhack's website, I believe this is what he has started with, and now the list will get bigger. There was even a [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1142690]thread[/url] about it too (last year), but that has been purged. :( [QUOTE=Pantho;35723048]I still think an option to disable this on your OWN server should be added. Like I said, I shall be activating it on all my servers but forcing this to activate isn't a great idea.[/QUOTE]Reasons why this is a bad idea?
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  • [QUOTE=Pantho;35723048]I still think an option to disable this on your OWN server should be added. Like I said, I shall be activating it on all my servers but forcing this to activate isn't a great idea.[/QUOTE] 1. Enter cfg folder 2. Delete cheaters.cfg 3. Profit?? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("meme reply" - postal))[/highlight]
  • [QUOTE=Pantho;35723048]I still think an option to disable this on your OWN server should be added. Like I said, I shall be activating it on all my servers but forcing this to activate isn't a great idea.[/QUOTE] Hopefully this Anti-cheat is better than yours.:wink:
  • [QUOTE=Cloudhunter;35719244]The updated cheaters.cfg has no duplicates. You must be looking at the older one. [code]banid 0 STEAM_0:0:24542076 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:11736063 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:26853786 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:4268664 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:22308446 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:47029807 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:27281484 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:25345204 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:40161943 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:18355021 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:31909554 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:6788895 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:14218119 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:41799917 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:20318952 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:31811639 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:10457218 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:38893214 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:31372055 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:12412908 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:28307108 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:26736765 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:48308696 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:20690416 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:48430247 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:38727026 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:10089448 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:13737877 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:25032393 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:25961258 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:46113191 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:26325520 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:14084529 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:43988463 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:36820593 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:15930135 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:29790222 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:10839552 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:48424005 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:12681987 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:41152155 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:32073049 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:23240412 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:23836998 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:21603250 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:38018800 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:24388264 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:34370714 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:14682870 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:37173161 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:16602699 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:33147875 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:17104852 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:45776064 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:3950924 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:31391445 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:32767364 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:17041504 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:15748061 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:48346538 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:39101463 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:24311352 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:37814204 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:27284598 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:46476374[/code][/QUOTE] Where did you get the updated code at? The one in my steam directory has more steam ID's then that
  • [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;35723357]Hopefully this Anti-cheat is better than yours.:wink:[/QUOTE] I should hope so, considering atm we don't use one.
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  • [QUOTE=boxxyy;35723015]It's not hard to compare "your" list to lists released here ages ago by server owners and people who took the liberty of going on popular communities' ban-lists. And if you made the anticheat yourself and it was used globally throughout Garry's Mod, it would detect all SethHack users, not just 30%.[/QUOTE] You're confusing my 'list' with a 'list' that I accidentally left in there while I was 'testing' something 'else'. You don't know shit all about what I'm doing - so maybe keep quiet about it.
  • So after reading [url=http://garry.tv/post/21903800166/cheaters-in-gmod]Garry's blog post[/url] [quote] So a few days ago I turned on a system I made similar to VAC. VAC works great for other games - but it can’t easily detect Lua hacks in GMod - because they look pretty much like GMod’s own code. But my system can. [/quote] This means it's going to detect Lua cheats that run on clients, when servers don't have scriptenforcer for example?
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  • So is this list updated every GMod update, or does it contact a central server for that?
  • The less we know, the less cheaters know, the better it is for everyone. Why not just trust Garry actually knows what the fuck he's doing and move on?
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  • What happens if someone includes hack code in a Workshop addon? Will everyone who uses it get banned? We can't check the code because .gm can't (officially) be extracted. What about single player? What about sandbox servers which don't use Scriptenforcer? I was once an admin of a (now dead) community where the sandbox server didn't use scriptenforcer, and I used a radar and x-ray addon to help me administrate. Would I get banned for that if I did the same thing today? What about addons which have functionality similar to common hacks? For example, a TTT server I currently help administrate has a detective item which allows the detective to see through walls and see what the players are holding. Would that cause all our players to be banned? Do people only get banned if they hack on scriptenforcer servers (aka bypass scriptenforcer)? Eg as long as you're not able to use the hack on the server, you're okay? In addition to banning people, why not remove pixelrender? Why not improve scriptenforcer (it sometimes doesn't block scripts until the map is changed)? Why not remove menu plugins? I know some of these have been done in Gmod 13, but it has been in beta for some 6 months. If you're willing to ship your banning feature, why not ship these other changes to help prevent hacking? Don't get me wrong - I have no problem banning users who are hacking in multiplayer. But if using any addon risks the user getting banned from all servers, nobody is going to trust using addons, nobody is going to risk coding something with similar functions to hacking tools (eg smartsnap snapping to props, similiar to aimbot), and people who aren't hackers will get banned.
  • Well, have any of the bans been false-positives so far? If not, I think it's pretty clear the system works as intended.
  • [QUOTE=DarthTealc;35727302] What about sandbox servers which don't use Scriptenforcer? I was once an admin of a (now dead) community where the sandbox server didn't use scriptenforcer, and I used a radar and x-ray addon to help me administrate. Would I get banned for that if I did the same thing today? [/QUOTE] Exactly.