• Does anyone else think Wiremod has ruined GMod?
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  • Avatar of WaRRioRTF
  • I'm fine with wire itself. Its the community of it that think of it like some god and that they are pro's which killed wiremod (And took gmod together) to me. Im okay if you are building a thing you want to. But for fuck's sake - Dont force players to see it. If they want to see it, they'll come. Im okay if you guys are good at wire but really, It's tiring when you want everyone to see your thing. Mainly if its just 2-3 props welded together doing something nice via expression 2.
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  • Yeah, that still makes no sense. "Don't force me to look!" - what the hell, are we strapping your head down like in A Clockwork Orange? [i]no, not ludwig van... he's done nothing wrong[/i]
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  • Basicly, What i mean is. Wiremod is okay with me, But like 90% of the users always try to make others see what are they building. And if they disagree they start killing prop pushing , if you try to build something they start shoving props into the building until you decide to watch the fucking thing.
  • Avatar of Sestze
  • so on any given server people who use wire will force you to watch what they're building on pain of death, prop pushing, or, uh... yeah I'm not even going to persue this further. You had a run in with one guy and are blowing it way out of proportion. Dicks exist in every facet of the universe - it takes a bit of intelligence to realize a trend versus a single occurrance. basically, what I mean is, that happened once, and you were so traumatized by the incident that you lost the ability to type.
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  • Wiremod is a must-have for me. Now, I don't just build boring wire shit. I treat wiremod much the same was as I do the Weld tool. It's just another way to make my vehicles do what they do. The most complex wire thing I do is making a piston engine, and typically those are just for show. They're too weak to do anything useful. Hell I don't even use pod controllers on my cars most of the time. I'm fine with numpad controlling them. I have no E2's at all. I have three E1's, and those remain pretty much untouched. One for hydraulic steeing, one selfaware for tachometers and one for engine timing. That's about it. Everything else I do with gates and numpad inputs. Wire will only ruin Gmod if the player allows it to. Kind of like alcohol and real life.
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  • Wiremod FTW!!! I luvz it :D But something HAS ruined GMod... Expression 2... Too complicated... or... Way too complicated. I tried learning it, but nothing makes any sense at all.
  • Avatar of Chad Mobile
  • I hate wiremod. Every server I go to I get "WDRSDF THERE NO WIERMAWD HERE" and I don't feel like SVNing a huge addon. I thank the people who upload the Adv.Dup tool :golfclap:
  • [QUOTE=Chad Mobile;19691974]I hate wiremod. Every server I go to I get "WDRSDF THERE NO WIERMAWD HERE" and I don't feel like SVNing a huge addon. I thank the people who upload the Adv.Dup tool :golfclap:[/QUOTE] Wire is a mere 100MB, compared to PHX and it's 1.2GB glory. Wire takes about 15 minutes to download on my shitty connection, I really doubt it takes much longer for you.
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  • [QUOTE=hexpunK;19701501]Wire is a mere 100MB, compared to PHX and it's 1.2GB glory. Wire takes about 15 minutes to download on my shitty connection, I really doubt it takes much longer for you.[/QUOTE] and its extremely confusing to use
  • Avatar of MegaJohnny
  • [QUOTE=Tormod;19686369]Wiremod FTW!!! I luvz it :D But something HAS ruined GMod... Expression 2... Too complicated... or... Way too complicated. I tried learning it, but nothing makes any sense at all.[/QUOTE] So because you can't use this one tool, GMod's ruined? Please explain your reasoning further.
  • [QUOTE=texanderson;19701515]and its extremely confusing to use[/QUOTE] Not really, the basic components are simple mathematics, and the more advanced ones are borderline programming, if you wanted to make anything with it, you can pretty much rely on the gates and simple maths, you aren't being forced to use things like E2.
  • Avatar of Chad Mobile
  • [QUOTE=hexpunK;19701501]Wire is a mere 100MB, compared to PHX and it's 1.2GB glory. Wire takes about 15 minutes to download on my shitty connection, I really doubt it takes much longer for you.[/QUOTE] Every server I go to has wiremod. I don't want to download it. It's dumb and over complicated.
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  • [QUOTE=Chad Mobile;19703137]Every server I go to has wiremod. I don't want to download it. It's dumb and over complicated.[/QUOTE] You 'can' download just the models, so you don't see errors. Find Divran's svn tutorial if you need it, and use the address [code]https://wiremod.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/wiremod/trunk/wire model pack 1[/code]
  • Avatar of -n3o-
  • [QUOTE=-n3o-;19588961]Yeah but some Rp servers use it, and if you dont have it its just an ERROR :([/QUOTE] Man that guy is dumb
  • Avatar of Sestze
  • [QUOTE=Chad Mobile;19703137]Every server I go to has wiremod. I don't want to download it. It's dumb and over complicated.[/QUOTE] I don't think I could ever use any line of reasoning to make you reconsider. You'd just dismissively say to every argument or point someone makes, "It's dumb and over complicated" Is it stupid because it's complicated? It's not that difficult to use aaaand I've lost all interest in trying to point anything out to you. Never change, Chad Mobile. Maybe some day you'll be recognized for your extra twenty-first chromosome.
  • Avatar of Sestze
  • That sentence doesn't even make sense. If you're talking about the prevalence of wired contraptions in the contraption subforum, on the first page alone as of right now we have: A nonwired Yacht A nonwired Coal Hopper An abandoned nuclear power plant A nonwired warhammer 40k tank A nonwired system cruiser A dune-running trike Tabletop Figures A tiger tank A theo jansen walker Of all of those things, most use little to no wire. That's the contraptions subforum. First page. An incomplete list, but it's enough to show that the contraption's section isn't getting "spammed" by wired contraptions. I could continue to throw insults at you, but there's no point. I checked your post history. You do a lot of LUA coding. If you understand LUA coding, Expression2 is pretty much the same thing. Hell, if you know any programming whatsoever, E2 is simple as fuck.
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  • Wiremod is fun. i made my own Cop Car from it. sadly no pics. i think its good for GMOD movies and stuff. or making houses with traps and stuff like that
  • Avatar of Libertas
  • [QUOTE=hexpunK;19701501]Wire is a mere 100MB, compared to PHX and it's 1.2GB glory. Wire takes about 15 minutes to download on my shitty connection, I really doubt it takes much longer for you.[/QUOTE] WAT. Since when in hell did PHX 3 become that fucking huge? I remember when it was a mere 350 MB :( So much for downloading limits.
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  • I like wiremod, it's a great addition to automate stuff. I do respect people that don't want to use it though. Let's say i'm building a fort. It's cool to have an elevator that can be called and/or sent to a specific floor. When i build a helicopter, i'd like to have an extra seat for the gunner. Besides, my infamous "hoverw00ter" would've never been so fast and agile without wiremod.
  • Avatar of cheeseman52
  • It has its uses and its a great addition but sometimes it pisses me off when players think less of you because you aren't a "pro" at using it.
  • Avatar of whosdr
  • [QUOTE=Libertas;19740422]WAT. Since when in hell did PHX 3 become that fucking huge? I remember when it was a mere 350 MB :( So much for downloading limits.[/QUOTE] Exported PHX SVN is 548 MB. Exported Wire SVN is 59.5 MB.
  • [QUOTE=whosdr;19743241]Exported PHX SVN is 548 MB. Exported Wire SVN is 59.5 MB.[/QUOTE] Weird, it's like my install of PHX had doubled in size for some reason then :v:
  • Avatar of ToNz
  • Wiremod is good but, i think the point is that with wiremod, gmod has lost it's originality (as in default constraints, tools instead of wire contraints and tools aswell as vanilla props building.) in my opinion your pretty much a No-lifer for being a wire nerd who knows every single syntax, so time consuming just to learn. Ok, you made the most complex wire contraption. And Now??? What? £1million for you? no, you wasted bloody hours are your life learning something that has no benifit in real life. congrats you're a fool. thats how i think of it.
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  • As mentioned billions of times already, you don't [I]have[/I] to use wiremod, nobody forces you. Sure some enjoys building an automatic sentry more than some good old fireworks or an oldschool no-colide jeep/custom car, but that doesn't mean you still can't have fun on the oldschool way. Even better, be a little open minded and try learning some of the very basic, as it's actually pretty fun. You don't have to make a computer ingame, just a thruster wired to a button and you're already using wiremod.
  • Avatar of MegaJohnny
  • [QUOTE=ToNz;19749048]Wiremod is good but, i think the point is that with wiremod, gmod has lost it's originality (as in default constraints, tools instead of wire contraints and tools aswell as vanilla props building.) in my opinion your pretty much a No-lifer for being a wire nerd who knows every single syntax, so time consuming just to learn. Ok, you made the most complex wire contraption. And Now??? What? £1million for you? no, you wasted bloody hours are your life learning something that has no benifit in real life. congrats you're a fool. thats how i think of it.[/QUOTE] Let's turn that on its head. Now you're the guy with no life because you spend all day mucking about with your vanilla tools, making a little car with guns on it or something. That has absolutely sod all benefit in real life, if you really want to bring that point up. You spent hours and hours tweaking the angle of the plating on your Adastraeus tank thing, whatever you want to call it, but you've not learned anything apart from how to make things pretty in GMod. I'm not trying to cause offense to anybody at all here, but I'm just showing that demonising "wire nerds" can very much be turned on its head. You seem to be dividing everyone into 2 groups: people who use vanilla tools only and people who have their brains stuffed full of Wire knowledge. That's wrong from the start. I know a fair bit of Wiremod and some E2, but I far from know "every single syntax". The basics of it are actually piss easy to learn. Numbers going along these wires letting the gates communicate with eachother and give some output at the end. Simple as that. It doesn't require you to give your life up to it to learn enough to make Wire contraptions. Wiremod is actually pretty educational and applicable. E2 teaches you the embryonic basics of programming which you can use as a jumping off point to go to other languages like Lua, then maybe one of the real mainstream ones like the C languages or something. The logic gates are good for practicing boolean algebra and developing your problem-solving skills, making you think logically. A lot of the gates are one-trick ponies that I'll never use but mucking about with Wiremod does actually have some real-life benefit, especially if you're looking at computing as a career.
  • Avatar of ToNz
  • I know no ones forcing you to use it, but I just would like to see everyone being oldschool again.(which is not possible) I watch war of the servers and think, gmod ain't like that anymore, its wire now. It's just that original gmod feeling i want to feel again and when i see people using wire, i just don't feel it. Yes i know little bit of wire. To be precise then, wire is for specifically a programmer career. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWgc-MBGcxw[/url] not sure would be a valid arguemnt but, using gmod to help actual building designers.
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  • [QUOTE=ToNz;19758507]I know no ones forcing you to use it, but I just would like to see everyone being oldschool again.(which is not possible) I watch war of the servers and think, gmod ain't like that anymore, its wire now. It's just that original gmod feeling i want to feel again and when i see people using wire, i just don't feel it. Yes i know little bit of wire. To be precise then, wire is for specifically a programmer career. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWgc-MBGcxw[/url] not sure would be a valid arguemnt but, using gmod to help actual building designers.[/QUOTE] Yes, yes. Well and good to use it to design buildings. I use it to model springs, fins, and other physics situations using wire. It gives me a good understanding of how the physics of the real world act. It helps to teach people how to structure their code properly, how to optimize their stuff, and also explain and understand heavier concepts such as PID. Good lord, you can even do a bit of assembly coding and the like. Am I a programmer by trade? No. I'm a mathematician. There's a lot of different skillsets that can be improved through use of Wire. The desire to regress back to "old school building" is nothing but looking upon the past with rose-tinted glasses. I remember the "good old days", and I can't be happier that we've surpassed that by leaps and bounds. Tastes change, and as much as I'd love to get enjoyment or lasting fascination from stapling thrusters to a bathtub or ragdoll, it just doesn't do it for me any more.