• Admin slowhacking and abuse - What is it and how can we PREVENT it?
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Hello users of facepunch. :smile: It has come, to my attention on many Garry's mod servers, mainly DarkRP servers there have been increasing cases of Administrative staff "slow hacking" peoples computers and also using illegal methods to deal with troublemakers. First of all what is admin slowhacking? :eng101: Let me take an extract from the steam support ([url]https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1935-TIHK-2325[/url]) "Admin Slowhacking refers to a server administrator maliciously altering the game configuration files on a client's computer. If you believe you have been slowhacked, you can resolve the issue by locating and deleting the config.cfg in your game directory." This process of admin slowhacking (which used to be a major problem in the original counter strike) has made its way towards Gmod. Many admins think its fine and acceptable, to punish rule breakers by this method of admin slowhacking, and also they think its fine to use commands such as "crash ban" - which crashes the clients machine. Although to them "admins" this may seem "fun" this is however illegal under many acts passed in most countries. This is because they are delibrately crashing a program through the target machine. I knew a server which even went to the extend of using the ULX administrative software to run commands into the targets console. And they would use these commands to bind the walk key to exit garrys mod. Although many of us would know how to fix this - to the average user who does not know about the console this would be very hard to revert. Yet administrative staff think this is "fine" and "justice" - to break peoples games jus tbecause they have not obeyed by your "rules"? That is not justice.... When a punishment goes beyong the server it is not justice but a crime instead. Even worse than this, some adminstrators of servers will use their privaleges to obtain IP addresses from clients to attack peoples internet connections. This is known as a DOS (denial of service) attack, where many packets are sent to someones address and it causes overflow - eventually their internet will become unusable for a period of time. These attacks are not just malicious - but ILLEGAL. I've seen this method being used on some servers, and they are breaking the law by doing this. I had an instance on a server where there was a notoruios adminstrator and he PM me through darkrp "I have (myiphere), if you try anything youre internet is going down". Surely the administrators of such servers know they are breaking the law. The funny thing is that when someone does threaten to do so, they don't realise that it is very easy to report them to the appropriate authorities for a network crime. So what can we do about this? Well many servers as we know have corrupt adminstrative staff. We can prevent these servers from thriving by only playing on servers that don't use these methods of enforcement, and also reporting the offending staff to steam and if it is just a bad staff member (but the server doesn't suppot this), check the servers forums and make a report post on the staff member. Now some of you may say that I am supporting the rule breakers in this situation, I'm not - I just think that breaking a virtual "rule" inside a server (For example RDM) is not a worse of a crime than modifying game files or even taking down someones network... Have you ever had experiences with Admin slowhacking and/or abuse? If so post your experiences below and also thanks for reading!
Key bindings can be reset from the options menu. You can use cntrl + alt + delete to start task manager and end the HL2 process if the game crashes and won't close. Yes some admins will abuse their position and get your IP address and attack you. There is nothing Garry can do about this because even if he obfuscated the connected IP's they are still connecting to the host machine and you can easily find them just by viewing the network traffic... this can also occur on ANY game that has multiplayer servers. Please forward any issues [URL="https://github.com/Facepunch/garrysmod-issues/issues"]here[/URL] so the developers can look into them for you. [editline]12th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=serverwatch;46911879]So what can we do about this? Well many servers as we know have corrupt adminstrative staff. We can prevent these servers from thriving by only playing on servers that don't use these methods of enforcement, and also reporting the offending staff to steam and if it is just a bad staff member (but the server doesn't suppot this), check the servers forums and make a report post on the staff member.[/QUOTE] Actually if this was the goal of making this thread I think you'll quickly find that most DarkRP players don't use Facepunch and even if they did they aren't going to remember any of the server names from this thread in the long term. I'm pretty sure steam won't do anything.
dang heckers
i have a clientside script that breaks plugins that crash your game, but you cannot use this without using the incrementvar exploit or dll injection
One time a hacker on my server displayed some scary image on everyone's screen so I crashed him with a scarier image and a long sound that lasted until he shut off his computer. Edit: pls no ban garry
Why do you bother writing these
[QUOTE=Exho;46913570]Why do you bother writing these[/QUOTE] You said he was doing god's work though
Not only are you a fucking retarded, but anyone who has litterally half a brain will NEVER get caught DOSing someone. Admin slowhacking isn't a big problem, and ULX comes with crash bans. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming" - postal))[/highlight]
Years ago when I had a gmod server I would run +right on total idiots :v:
Come now Disco, putting +right into console doesn't make you an idiot <3
Oh boy this self-righteous nutcase again...
As I said before, you're fighting a 90 degree uphill battle with these posts and such, dude. Nothing is going to change, it's a [I]video game[/I] that a lot of people (including you, apparently) take way too seriously.
[QUOTE=serverwatch;46911879] Many admins think its fine and acceptable, to punish rule breakers by this method of admin slowhacking, and also they think its fine to use commands such as "crash ban" - which crashes the clients machine. Although to them "admins" this may seem "fun" this is however illegal under many acts passed in most countries. This is because they are delibrately crashing a program through the target machine.[/QUOTE] i dare you to try and take this to a court without getting laughed out.
If you can't bring it up to your parents without them cracking up, then chances are it wouldn't hold up in law.
mom my garrysmod client crashed we need 2 go 2 cort!1!!1!!!
[QUOTE=Exho;46913570]Why do you bother writing these[/QUOTE] to help the community... I'm trying to help and people just rate it "dumb" without any explanation - not many people are very mature on this website... [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ninjaman3010;46913881]Not only are you a fucking retarded, but anyone who has litterally half a brain will NEVER get caught DOSing someone. Admin slowhacking isn't a big problem, and ULX comes with crash bans. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming" - postal))[/highlight][/QUOTE] So your encouraging illegal activities on a public forum? Not a wise move.... [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=DiscoBiscut;46914201]Years ago when I had a gmod server I would run +right on total idiots :v:[/QUOTE] But why? So your admin slowhacking and it's not a nice thing to do.... [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=sasherz;46914833]Oh boy this self-righteous nutcase again...[/QUOTE] care to explain why? I'm trying to help people and raise discussing about an issue that is big in gmod and what we can do to stop it. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;46915153]As I said before, you're fighting a 90 degree uphill battle with these posts and such, dude. Nothing is going to change, it's a [I]video game[/I] that a lot of people (including you, apparently) take way too seriously.[/QUOTE] I'm not taking it too seriously. I'm just annoyed when administrators (not all but most) think they can get away with illegal and disruptive actives on servers... [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Joeyl10;46915589]i dare you to try and take this to a court without getting laughed out.[/QUOTE] People say that internet crimes aren't serious but look around you. People are getting prosecuted more and more for these illegal activities. If you think there not serious well they are. Peolle who do the DOS attacks think they are safe but it's a crime that can serve fines and even prison in some countries. . And also its not just administrators some players wil DOS attack servers - if the server is making money from their service they are essentially affecting their sales and can be taken to courts for this. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Nookyava;46915666]If you can't bring it up to your parents without them cracking up, then chances are it wouldn't hold up in law.[/QUOTE] What have my parents got to do with this? And if you look online you will see there are many crimes thst are being commited by these admins. And even worse is people are defending them. Ok what is worse in your opinion. Breaking a virtual "rule" on a server such as killing another player without a reason on a darkrp server. Or taking down someone's internet connection for a period of time and changing their gamr settings/crashing their pc. I know what I would choose. .. obviously what the admins are doing is a worse crime and yes we don't like the rule breakers but they are not "illegal" crimes so to speak. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] Also the 19 people who rated this "dumb" care to explain why? I'm glad some have done so but most haven't. It's like going to a debate and you speak aboit some issues and some person in the crowd says "that's dumb!" And you ask "why?" And they don't say anything... This is why I think ratings need to be removed from the forum
Go play outside kid - you're taking a game too seriously. There's a lot of dickheads in the world and that is especially true for gmod. In the end though: You aren't going to get anyone 'in trouble' for crashing your game or running commands on you. Don't like that? Don't play. When it comes to attacks, the authorities tend not to give a shit unless the attack is against a large company or gets mass media exposure. That's the way the world works unfortunately, crying to facepunch isn't going to change that.
[quote]What have my parents got to do with this? And if you look online you will see there are many crimes thst are being commited by these admins. And even worse is people are defending them.[/quote] Don't take things so personally. I wasn't talking to you specifically.
How is running +right on someone "admin slowhacking". How is ninja's post encouraging in any way "illegal activity". Do you even know what you're talking about? The amount of idiocy in your posts is painful. No government would prosecute you crashing someone's game, and no one would bother spending the money to try it in a civil suit. In fact, none of this activity probably can be prosecuted, especially considering no measurable damage is incurred as a result of them. Even IF there was, it would be next to impossible to make a strong case out of it. If your only purpose is to troll, continue posting. If you are legitimately trying to change things you are not doing a good job of it and you will fail if you continue to go down this route. If you want to actually make a difference, the best you can do is code tools to counter this stuff and not write unproductive rants that make you look like a fool.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46916661]Go play outside kid - you're taking a game too seriously. There's a lot of dickheads in the world and that is especially true for gmod. In the end though: You aren't going to get anyone 'in trouble' for crashing your game or running commands on you. Don't like that? Don't play. When it comes to attacks, the authorities tend not to give a shit unless the attack is against a large company or gets mass media exposure. That's the way the world works unfortunately, crying to facepunch isn't going to change that.[/QUOTE] Oh shit nigga das some real shit right 'dere nigga. Also, to the guy that made this thread: [IMG]http://grist.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/antoinedodsondumb.gif?w=320&h=240[/IMG] [IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3dQdAhwMk2o/UwvLPmyIUgI/AAAAAAAADcA/cJl8gMqFwJo/s1600/Rottenecards_96121995_6yyd4x6274.png[/IMG] inb4 gets banned inb4 is worth it [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Can't function here" - postal))[/highlight]
guys clexecing +right is an act of HIGHLY ILLEGAL ADMIN SLOWHACKING, watch out serverwatch here might take you to court for this clear violation of human rights.
[QUOTE=Kemerd;46915710]mom my garrysmod client crashed we need 2 go 2 cort!1!!1!!![/QUOTE] What are you...Killslick? lolollolol @ Op lighten up it's just a game :P
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;46927553]guys clexecing +right is an act of HIGHLY ILLEGAL ADMIN SLOWHACKING, watch out serverwatch here might take you to court for this clear violation of human rights.[/QUOTE] STOP MANHANDLING ME!!!
Generally speaking, if you want to avoid the issue of administrators fucking with you, do not play on servers with administrators prone to fucking with you. There's either something in the attitude you bring to the server that causes the administrator to shit on you from fascinating new heights, or you're playing with someone who is having a bit of a power trip. Either way, be a bit nicer, avoid shitty servers.
[QUOTE=Sestze;46948828]Generally speaking, if you want to avoid the issue of administrators fucking with you, do not play on servers with administrators prone to fucking with you. There's either something in the attitude you bring to the server that causes the administrator to shit on you from fascinating new heights, or you're playing with someone who is having a bit of a power trip. Either way, be a bit nicer, avoid shitty servers.[/QUOTE] I just think its worse to change game settings than breaking virtual rules like RDM or prop killing. If you allow guns and also props on the server? Then you should accept rdm and propkill but changing game settings is bad because it goes beyond the server... [editline]18th January 2015[/editline] Admin slowhacking is another reason why I really do not like MOST Adminstrators.
[QUOTE=serverwatch;46959335]I just think its worse to change game settings than breaking virtual rules like RDM or prop killing. If you allow guns and also props on the server? Then you should accept rdm and propkill but changing game settings is bad because it goes beyond the server... [editline]18th January 2015[/editline] Admin slowhacking is another reason why I really do not like MOST Adminstrators.[/QUOTE] Then stop crying about it and make your own server
What is extremely funny is that key bindings can save to the cloud and become a bit annoying for the average user to undo. Remember the average user does not even know facepunch exists really, people always forget that the whiny bitches on here are the extreme minority. Granted there also generally the content creators and shapers of content, but a minority still.
[QUOTE=Flapadar;46959381]Then stop crying about it and make your own server[/QUOTE] Complaining is easier
[QUOTE=sasherz;46919569]How is running +right on someone "admin slowhacking". How is ninja's post encouraging in any way "illegal activity". Do you even know what you're talking about? The amount of idiocy in your posts is painful. No government would prosecute you crashing someone's game, and no one would bother spending the money to try it in a civil suit. In fact, none of this activity probably can be prosecuted, especially considering no measurable damage is incurred as a result of them. Even IF there was, it would be next to impossible to make a strong case out of it. If your only purpose is to troll, continue posting. If you are legitimately trying to change things you are not doing a good job of it and you will fail if you continue to go down this route. If you want to actually make a difference, the best you can do is code tools to counter this stuff and not write unproductive rants that make you look like a fool.[/QUOTE] You can only claim damages if you have a lawyer good enough to misconstrue the truth enough. But admitting that the game crashing caused you severe emotional trauma makes you look like the idiot... It is technically illegal in the US, depending on how you interpret 18 U.S.C. § 1030. But the government isn't going to prosecute anyone for slowhacking especially since the average gmod player does not have the ability to make "oh no this asshole crashed my game" into a problem worth prosecuting. I suggest serverwatch to play on better servers, or build tools to stop this shit if he thinks it's such a big deal. [editline]18th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=serverwatch;46959335]I just think its worse to change game settings than breaking virtual rules like RDM or prop killing. If you allow guns and also props on the server? Then you should accept rdm and propkill but changing game settings is bad because it goes beyond the server... [editline]18th January 2015[/editline] Admin slowhacking is another reason why I really do not like MOST Adminstrators.[/QUOTE] You play on low tier servers then, I've never seen this happen in the 5 years that I've been playing.
[QUOTE=Slithers;46962221] I suggest serverwatch to play on better servers,[B] or build tools to stop this shit if he thinks it's such a big deal.[/B] [/QUOTE] Wouldn't setting config.cfg to read-only do the trick? :v:
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