• President Obama used a pseudonym in emails with Hillary, according to FBI documents
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[QUOTE]President Barack Obama used a pseudonym in email communications with Hillary Clinton and others, according to FBI records made public Friday. The disclosure came as the FBI released its second batch of documents from its investigation into Clinton’s private email server during her tenure as secretary of state. In an April 5, 2016 interview with the FBI, Abedin was shown an email exchange between Clinton and Obama, but the longtime Clinton aide did not recognize the name of the sender. "Once informed that the sender's name is believed to be pseudonym used by the president, Abedin exclaimed: 'How is this not classified?'" the report says. "Abedin then expressed her amazement at the president's use of a pseudonym and asked if she could have a copy of the email." [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-228607[/url]
So, much corruption to the point it would only faze me if it did'nt happen
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;51096986]So, much corruption to the point it would only faze me if it did'nt happen[/QUOTE] The problem is liberal bias going hand in hand with apathy with most Americans. Tomorrow there could be released irrefutable proof that the Clintons have assassinated people, been pro war and sold state secrets and Hillary would still get 40% of the vote "because she's not Trump". Can't go a week at this point without something new coming out.
What purpose would there be for Obama using a pseudonym?
[QUOTE=Captain James;51097152]The problem is liberal bias going hand in hand with apathy with most Americans. Tomorrow there could be released irrefutable proof that the Clintons have assassinated people, been pro war and sold state secrets and Hillary would still get 40% of the vote "because she's not Trump". Can't go a week at this point without something new coming out.[/QUOTE] Apathy is rampant because people realized they do not matter and cannot affect anything anyway.
[QUOTE=srobins;51097164]What purpose would there be for Obama using a pseudonym?[/QUOTE] If there is shady shit going down you better make sure your real name ain't attached.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51097175]Apathy is rampant because people realized they do not matter and cannot affect anything anyway.[/QUOTE] Self fulfilling prophecy, nothing will change if that attitude remains in place as the dominant default mentality.
[QUOTE=Captain James;51097185]Self fulfilling prophecy, nothing will change if that attitude remains in place as the dominant default mentality.[/QUOTE] It became the dominant mentality for a reason
[QUOTE=Captain James;51097152]The problem is liberal bias [/QUOTE] no [QUOTE=Captain James;51097152]Tomorrow there could be released irrefutable proof that the Clintons have assassinated people, been pro war and sold state secrets and Hillary would still get 40% of the vote "because she's not Trump". Can't go a week at this point without something new coming out.[/QUOTE] Assassination and espionage are actually illegal and I don't know why you conflate them with "pro war" which Clinton has occasionally been in the past as a matter of public record. What do you mean by "something new coming out?"
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51097208]no Assassination and espionage are actually illegal and I don't know why you conflate them with "pro war" which Clinton has occasionally been in the past as a matter of public record. What do you mean by "something new coming out?"[/QUOTE] I mean new information that involves the Clinton's corruption, as far as "pro war" I was being colloquial and assuming people could extrapolate from that. With liberal bias I mean I've confronted people in person face to face and brought these things to the table and I'm generally met with, and I paraphrase before you blow it out of proportion "yeah but Trump is a big ol racist and says mean things". It's often like talking to children, my fiancee is American and I fly over there frequently enough to the point I am in the process of immigrating legally and the disparity between employing construct and logic into rhetoric is lost on so many people there it's almost scary, they're just spoonfed information from BuzzFeed or any media outlet of that level, might as well be using memes as a valid argument point. I went for a haircut yesterday and even here, my barber was talking to me about the election circus over the pond and she said and I quote "I think Trump and Putin are sending poisoned water to Hillary". This isn't isolated thought, it's mental gymnastics on another level.
[QUOTE=Captain James;51097224]I mean new information that involves the Clinton's corruption[/QUOTE] What new information? Like an example this week? [QUOTE=Captain James;51097224]I went for a haircut yesterday and even here, my barber was talking to me about the election circus over the pond and she said and I quote "I think Trump and Putin are sending poisoned water to Hillary". This isn't isolated thought, it's mental gymnastics on another level.[/QUOTE] Yeah normal human beings have bizarre theories about politicians I'm not denying that I'm just wondering how "liberal bias" plays into it. At this point it's really hard to argue that Trump's intractability with voters is down to liberal bias when major conservative individuals and organizations are picking Clinton over him.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51097229]What new information? Like an example this week? [/QUOTE] This week, for example, people found out about the guy asking on [I]reddit[/I] how to delete Clinton's emails
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51097229]What new information? Like an example this week? Yeah normal human beings have bizarre theories about politicians I'm not denying that I'm just wondering how "liberal bias" plays into it. At this point it's really hard to argue that Trump's intractability with voters is down to liberal bias when major conservative individuals and organizations are picking Clinton over him.[/QUOTE] Because these "bizarre theories" are the reason working people are voting for someone into the ultimate seat of power who is legally unfit and incompetent in the U.S. with blatant ties to corruption and if that isn't frightening to you I don't know what to tell you mate. I'm not even saying that it's some isolated American thing only, we have people in Australia that vote for one party over the other as if it was like rooting for your favourite footie team which angers and stupefies me, but that's not the topic right now and my eyes are set on the U.S. [QUOTE=Cructo;51097237]This week, for example, people found out about the guy asking on [I]reddit[/I] how to delete Clinton's emails[/QUOTE] Thank you, or this very thread. Magnitude doesn't have to correlate to it, my resting case is there hasn't been a week that hasn't involved new information coming out with investigation into HRC and any associated ties to her campaign.
[QUOTE=Cructo;51097237]This week, for example, people found out about the guy asking on [I]reddit[/I] how to delete Clinton's emails[/QUOTE] Fair enough but I was asking for examples of Clinton's corruption.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51097252]Fair enough but I was asking for examples of Clinton's corruption.[/QUOTE] It's new evidence that she hired him/his company to tamper with evidence while under investigation
[QUOTE=Captain James;51097250]Because these "bizarre theories" are the reason working people are voting for someone into the ultimate seat of power in the U.S. and if that isn't frightening to you I don't know what to tell you mate. I'm not even saying that it's some isolated American thing only, we have people in Australia that vote for one party over the other as if it was like rooting for your favourite footie team which angers and stupefies me, but that's not the topic right now and my eyes are set on the U.S.[/QUOTE] Yes, stupid people vote. I'm still confused as to why you think "liberal bias" is the problem. Stupid people vote Republican too. [QUOTE=Captain James;51097250]Thank you, or this very thread. Magnitude doesn't have to correlate to it, my resting case is there hasn't been a week that hasn't involved new information coming out with investigation into HRC and any associated ties to her campaign.[/QUOTE] The reason email stories don't deliver the same sort of reaction to voters is because the entire election cycle has been absolutely flooded with white noise over the emails. At this point Clinton supporters genuinely don't care and I'd go out on a limb and assume that independents have at this point already decided on how important of an issue it is. Regarding the story specifically it seems to be ancillary to Clinton's email scandal rather than the smoking gun that many have been hoping for.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51097252]Fair enough but I was asking for examples of Clinton's corruption.[/QUOTE] Lying under oath/perjury? Obstruction of Justice with the email scandal? Watergate? Public officials found dead under strange circumstances before they were set to testify against the Clintons/Clinton Foundation? That's not even mentioning the funding and ties to the CF. These are just the top of my head, if you want a hyperlinked wall of text that actually goes in depth to it all I need time to collaborate them all for you. [editline]24th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;51097265]Yes, stupid people vote. I'm still confused as to why you think "liberal bias" is the problem. Stupid people vote Republican too.[/QUOTE] Because the dominant default narrative in the main stream media which arguably controls the majority of thought and news is liberal in the U.S. and strongly biased. I didn't say conservative news outlets don't exist, and they know it and employ misinformation and poor journalism as a device to sway the minds of voters who are either simply dumb or innocently ignorant to fact as it hasn't been presented to them, at best cherrypicking.
can anyone point out where in the article it links that obama used a pseudonym? either politico missed it or i'm not reading this right but the only part it mentions anything pertinant is [quote]In an April 5, 2016 interview with the FBI, Abedin was shown an email exchange between Clinton and Obama, but the longtime Clinton aide did not recognize the name of the sender. "Once informed that the sender's name is believed to be pseudonym used by the president, Abedin exclaimed: 'How is this not classified?'" the report says. "Abedin then expressed her amazement at the president's use of a pseudonym and asked if she could have a copy of the email." [/quote] there's no smoking gun here, and the email in question was [quote]The report doesn't provide more details on the contents of that particular email exchange, but says it took place on June 28, 2012, and had the subject line: "Re: Congratulations." It may refer to the Supreme Court's ruling that day upholding a key portion of the Obamacare law. [/quote] which could be anyone in a blue seat on capital hill for all it matters since they all had the success of obamacare to worry about, how do they make the conclusion that it was obama? also as the law stands, the content of the message was not classified information to begin with additionally, the FBI report does demonstrate that no, guciffer did not have access to hillary's email server unlike what fox says i cannot find this story being covered in any scope anywhere else, and the only places that report this story are just copy-paste from politico
[QUOTE=Cructo;51097262]It's new evidence that she hired him/his company to tamper with evidence while under investigation[/QUOTE] Evidence that ultimately doesn't go back to Clinton. It's up in the air regarding legal repercussions for what Stonetear did but there still isn't a smoking gun, and provides a clearer illustration and timeline of something she was already investigate for. [QUOTE=Captain James;51097270]Lying under oath/perjury?[/QUOTE] Possibly. [QUOTE=Captain James;51097270]Obstruction of Justice with the email scandal?[/QUOTE] Unproven so far. [QUOTE=Captain James;51097270]Watergate?[/QUOTE] What? [QUOTE=Captain James;51097270]Public officials found dead under strange circumstances before they were set to testify against the Clintons/Clinton Foundation? That's not even mentioning the funding and ties to the CF. These are just the top of my head, if you want a hyperlinked wall of text that actually goes in depth to it all I need time to collaborate them all for you.[/QUOTE] This was more what I was looking for. Do you not see the obvious hypocrisy in accusing others of being spoonfed by alt-media like Buzzfeed and then proceed to seriously attack Clinton over bizarre assassination conspiracy theories and the Clinton Foundation which has been vetted by not one but two charity watchdogs? I mean maybe it's possible that the Foundation has done some shady stuff but regarding "public officials found dead under strange circumstances", I find that no more logical than allegations that Trump and Putin are poisoning Clinton's drinking water. [editline]24th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Captain James;51097270] Because the dominant default narrative in the main stream media which arguably controls the majority of thought and news is liberal in the U.S. and strongly biased. I didn't say conservative news outlets don't exist, and they know it and employ misinformation and poor journalism as a device to sway the minds of voters who are either simply dumb or innocently ignorant to fact as it hasn't been presented to them, at best cherrypicking.[/QUOTE] Again you are going to have a really hard time convincing people who don't already believe that Trump is the victim of the mainstream media that "liberal bias" is at play when the candidate with [I]literally the highest disapproval rating in history[/I] is involved.
rusty shackleford?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51097302]Evidence that ultimately doesn't go back to Clinton. It's up in the air regarding legal repercussions for what Stonetear did but there still isn't a smoking gun, and provides a clearer illustration and timeline of something she was already investigate for. Unproven so far.[/QUOTE] Don't take this as flaming but I think people are truly off with the fairies if they genuinelly believe Hillary was naive and didn't know what she was doing when things come out like this guy hired to scrub her emails. [QUOTE=Raidyr;51097302] What? [/QUOTE] [URL=http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/while-on-watergate-committee-hillary-was-fired-for-lying-unethical-behavior]Hillary during Watergate Investigations: An “Unethical, Dishonest Lawyer"[/URL] [URL=http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/02/25/hillary-fired-lies-unethical-behavior-congressional-job-former-boss]Hillary Fired for Lies, Unethical Behavior from Congressional Job: Former Boss[/URL] [QUOTE=Raidyr;51097302]This was more what I was looking for. Do you not see the obvious hypocrisy in accusing others of being spoonfed by alt-media like Buzzfeed and then proceed to seriously attack Clinton over bizarre assassination conspiracy theories and the Clinton Foundation which has been vetted by not one but two charity watchdogs? I mean maybe it's possible that the Foundation has done some shady stuff but regarding "public officials found dead under strange circumstances", I find that no more logical than allegations that Trump and Putin are poisoning Clinton's drinking water.[/QUOTE] The problem I have with engaging you in that topic particularly is I am not beyond reason and dialogue, however in saying this what I would like to link is simply the facts surrounding the individual deaths as well as who they were in relation to either exposing the Clinton's or directly associated with the HRC campaign for presidency such as the supposed leaker that was found dead in a robbery where nothing was stolen, and bold claims require bold evidence but in having said this just to entertain the thought it's real, should corruption really go deep there would be powers and interests at play discrediting public information sort of making it extremely difficult to present anything that wont be dismissed simply because of a poorly constructed website that looks like a blog piece. Otherwise I am happy to engage on this with you.
This is a matter of [I]utmost national importance.[/I] [I]Is it something kickass or is it stupid and boring?[/I]
[QUOTE=Captain James;51097152]The problem is liberal bias going hand in hand with apathy with most Americans. Tomorrow there could be released irrefutable proof that the Clintons have assassinated people, been pro war and sold state secrets and Hillary would still get 40% of the vote "because [B]she's not Trump[/B]". Can't go a week at this point without something new coming out.[/QUOTE] You're not wrong. That's bout the only reason I need, tbh. Despite whatever corruption may exist in the system, I still find corporate backroom deals preferable to open and deliberate racial, ethnic, and religious persecution. If it's a breathing body capable of cogent communication, and hasn't called for sippenhaft, minority identification cards, shutting down and/or surveilling mosques, mass deportation, banning Muslims from the country, punishing women who seek abortions, revoking LGBT rights, torture, abolishing legal representation and disallowing medical attention for criminals, revoking the freedom of the press, or any stupid fucking border walls, chances are pretty good I'll vote for it over Trump. It's not that I'm apathetic towards Hillary's apparent corruption, it's just that the seriousness of that accusation pales significantly next to the hateful, horrifying rhetoric spewed by that vile son of a bitch Trump. I only appear apathetic because I have no other options. I don't like Hillary, and under different circumstances I'd be pretty happy to see her flop, but for better or worse, she is our only chance. And any chance is one worth taking compared to Trump. I legitimately believe that man is the biggest threat to human rights and basic personal freedoms in the Western world.
[QUOTE=Captain James;51097270]Lying under oath/perjury? Obstruction of Justice with the email scandal? Watergate? Public officials found dead under strange circumstances before they were set to testify against the Clintons/Clinton Foundation? That's not even mentioning the funding and ties to the CF. These are just the top of my head, if you want a hyperlinked wall of text that actually goes in depth to it all I need time to collaborate them all for you.[/QUOTE] Don't bother - it'll all be labelled as conspiracy on this board.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51097302] Unproven so far. [/QUOTE] Pretty sure the FBI released a statement saying evidence was in fact destroyed during their investigation into the email scandal. Also, her fucking IT guy was caught asking in public forums how to delete evidence of some emails.
[QUOTE=Captain James;51097376]Don't take this as flaming but I think people are truly off with the fairies if they genuinelly believe Hillary was naive and didn't know what she was doing when things come out like this guy hired to scrub her emails. [URL=http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/while-on-watergate-committee-hillary-was-fired-for-lying-unethical-behavior]Hillary during Watergate Investigations: An “Unethical, Dishonest Lawyer"[/URL] [URL=http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/02/25/hillary-fired-lies-unethical-behavior-congressional-job-former-boss]Hillary Fired for Lies, Unethical Behavior from Congressional Job: Former Boss[/URL] The problem I have with engaging you in that topic particularly is I am not beyond reason and dialogue, however in saying this what I would like to link is simply the facts surrounding the individual deaths as well as who they were in relation to either exposing the Clinton's or directly associated with the HRC campaign for presidency such as the supposed leaker that was found dead in a robbery where nothing was stolen, and bold claims require bold evidence but in having said this just to entertain the thought it's real, should corruption really go deep there would be powers and interests at play discrediting public information sort of making it extremely difficult to present anything that wont be dismissed simply because of a poorly constructed website that looks like a blog piece. Otherwise I am happy to engage on this with you.[/QUOTE] As for the whole people associated with Clinton dying bit, that was disproved a long time ago. Barring concrete evidence, such as a murderer being arrested, or some material proof, it's going to be a hard go for you to prove anything about the truth of your statements. The problem with what you've got to say about evidence being discredited, because people dismiss what could be the truth because of the way it's presented, is that most of the time it's simply somebody trying to form a conclusion for themselves that simply doesn't exist while not believing that there is, in fact, plausible explanations for a series of events. That's basically the definition of how a conspiracy theory gets formed. Also nobody except the desperate, the diehard republicans, or the fools caught up in his cult of personality, want to vote for Trump, because the man is genuinely unstable and has proposed far too many stupidities to ever repeat here. [quote=Big Dumb American]You're not wrong. That's bout the only reason I need, tbh. Despite whatever corruption may exist in the system, I still find corporate backroom deals preferable to open and deliberate racial, ethnic, and religious persecution. If it's a breathing body capable of cogent communication, and hasn't called for sippenhaft, minority identification cards, shutting down and/or surveilling mosques, mass deportation, banning Muslims from the country, punishing women who seek abortions, revoking LGBT rights, torture, abolishing legal representation and disallowing medical attention for criminals, revoking the freedom of the press, or any stupid fucking border walls, chances are pretty good I'll vote for it over Trump. It's not that I'm apathetic towards Hillary's apparent corruption, it's just that the seriousness of that accusation pales significantly next to the hateful, horrifying rhetoric spewed by that vile son of a bitch Trump. I only appear apathetic because I have no other options. I don't like Hillary, and under different circumstances I'd be pretty happy to see her flop, but for better or worse, she is our only chance. And any chance is one worth taking compared to Trump. I legitimately believe that man is the biggest threat to human rights and basic personal freedoms in the Western world.[/quote] BDA has pretty much summed up my opinion on this matter.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;51097395]This is a matter of [I]utmost national importance.[/I] [I]Is it something kickass or is it stupid and boring?[/I][/QUOTE] Stupid and boring could still be kickass to certain people. For instance, maybe his pseudonym was "Albert Cole". Regular Joes would find that stupid and boring, but as a Fallout fan, I'd fucking love it.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51097822]You're not wrong. That's bout the only reason I need, tbh. Despite whatever corruption may exist in the system, I still find corporate backroom deals preferable to open and deliberate racial, ethnic, and religious persecution. If it's a breathing body capable of cogent communication, and hasn't called for sippenhaft, minority identification cards, shutting down and/or surveilling mosques, mass deportation, banning Muslims from the country, punishing women who seek abortions, revoking LGBT rights, torture, abolishing legal representation and disallowing medical attention for criminals, revoking the freedom of the press, or any stupid fucking border walls, chances are pretty good I'll vote for it over Trump. It's not that I'm apathetic towards Hillary's apparent corruption, it's just that the seriousness of that accusation pales significantly next to the hateful, horrifying rhetoric spewed by that vile son of a bitch Trump. I only appear apathetic because I have no other options. I don't like Hillary, and under different circumstances I'd be pretty happy to see her flop, but for better or worse, she is our only chance. And any chance is one worth taking compared to Trump. I legitimately believe that man is the biggest threat to human rights and basic personal freedoms in the Western world.[/QUOTE] People like you scare me, I'm glad that you're opinion is quickly becoming the minority and you'll see that come November.
[QUOTE=davethestoner;51100096]People like you scare me, I'm glad that you're opinion is quickly becoming the minority and you'll see that come November.[/QUOTE] People like you scare me, I'm sure that [i]your[/i] opinion is uneducated and that you'll see the consequences of your actions in the near future. Maybe not today, maybe not in November, but soon and for the rest of your life.
[QUOTE=davethestoner;51100096]People like you scare me, I'm glad that you're opinion is quickly becoming the minority and you'll see that come November.[/QUOTE] just because all your pals in /pol/ are interchangeable with you doesn't mean that america is the same
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