• Report: Trump's lawyer hand-delivered Michael Flynn a secret plan to lift sanctions on Russia
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[quote]Trump Organization lawyer Michel Cohen hand-delivered a "peace" plan for Russia and Ukraine to former national security adviser Michael Flynn before Flynn was asked to resign, the New York Times reported on Sunday. The plan, which involved lifting sanctions on Russia, was drafted by Cohen — a close confidante of President Donald Trump who has served as his organization's special counsel since 2007 — and Felix Sater, a Russian-American real estate developer who has helped the Trump Organization scout deals in Russia. [/quote] [url]http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lawyer-delivered-michael-flynn-plan-to-lift-sanctions-on-russia-2017-2[/url]
The clusterfuck continues to expand!
[quote]a Russian-American real estate developer who has helped the Trump Organization scout deals in Russia.[/quote] continuing a long tradition of "shit you can't make up"
So isent this proof that trump is directly involved?
this happened a week before he resigned, but after he became NSA. wouldn't this be par for the course for someone in his role?
When the FBI is monitoring a presidential cabinet member it's a bad sign, when the presidents lawyer hands a detailed plan for lifting sanctions against an opposing nation, shit just hit the fan. We're trying to make the USA better not Russia. Shouldn't this be grounds for treason since this not only does not help the USA, it strengthens an opposing nation. How is lifting sanctions on a country that just annexed another country okay. When will Russia's expansion stop? When they've consolidated Crimea what is stopping Russia from going after the rest of Ukraine. How does making the USA weaker help the country. This situation is so messed up.
[QUOTE=nuocmamt;51847061]When the FBI is monitoring a presidential cabinet member it's a bad sign, when the presidents lawyer hands a detailed plan for lifting sanctions against an opposing nation, shit just hit the fan. We're trying to make the USA better not Russia. Shouldn't this be grounds for treason since this not only does not help the USA, it strengthens an opposing nation. How is lifting sanctions on a country that just annexed another country okay. When will Russia's expansion stop? When they've consolidated Crimea what is stopping Russia from going after the rest of Ukraine. How does making the USA weaker help the country. This situation is so messed up.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the events of the past entire week are grounds for treason. But relax guys, he won get over it like omg :downs:
[QUOTE=shad0w440;51847030]So isent this proof that trump is directly involved?[/QUOTE] No. Because the article posted here is more of the ([B]tiring[/B]) trend of someone posting an article that is merely re-reporting (with a slant) what another agency more accurately reported. [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-russia.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=1&referer=https://t.co/LQMK6Jfmft"]From the New York Times' original article,[/URL] [quote] The amateur diplomats say their goal is simply to help settle a grueling, three-year conflict that has cost 10,000 lives. “Who doesn’t want to help bring about peace?” Mr. Cohen asked. But the proposal contains more than just a peace plan. Andrii V. Artemenko, the Ukrainian lawmaker, who sees himself as a Trump-style leader of a future Ukraine, claims to have evidence — “names of companies, wire transfers” — showing corruption by the Ukrainian president, Petro O. Poroshenko, that could help oust him. And Mr. Artemenko said he had received encouragement for his plans from top aides to Mr. Putin. “A lot of people will call me a Russian agent, a U.S. agent, a C.I.A. agent,” Mr. Artemenko said. “But how can you find a good solution between our countries if we do not talk?” Mr. Cohen and Mr. Sater said they had not spoken to Mr. Trump about the proposal, and have no experience in foreign policy. Mr. Cohen is one of several Trump associates under scrutiny in an F.B.I. counterintelligence examination of links with Russia, according to law enforcement officials; he has denied any illicit connections. [/quote] and [quote] (Mr. Cohen) said Mr. Sater had given him the written proposal in a sealed envelope. When Mr. Cohen met with Mr. Trump in the Oval Office in early February, he said, he left the proposal in Mr. Flynn’s office. Mr. Cohen said he was waiting for a response when Mr. Flynn was forced from his post. Now Mr. Cohen, Mr. Sater and Mr. Artemenko are hoping a new national security adviser will take up their cause. On Friday the president wrote on Twitter that he had four new candidates for the job. [/quote] The NY Times' article is much less sexy, much less Trump bashing, and instead focuses on how some business associates wanted to attempt to influence the White House in a (typically) legal way, a way that no doubt happened quite often and regularly in fundamentally all previous administration. (Unless you want to somehow, willfully believe that the Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and so on administrations somehow never invited personal friends and businessmen in to the White House, who themselves might have had [I]any[/I] political motives.)
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51850945]No. Because the article posted here is more of the ([B]tiring[/B]) trend of someone posting an article that is merely re-reporting (with a slant) what another agency more accurately reported. [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-russia.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=1&referer=https://t.co/LQMK6Jfmft"]From the New York Times' original article,[/URL] and The NY Times' article is much less sexy, much less Trump bashing, and instead focuses on how some business associates wanted to attempt to influence the White House in a (typically) legal way, a way that no doubt happened quite often and regularly in fundamentally all previous administration. (Unless you want to somehow, willfully believe that the Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and so on administrations somehow never invited personal friends and businessmen in to the White House, who themselves might have had [I]any[/I] political motives.)[/QUOTE] innocently advocating for appeasement of Russia's murderous expansion with an end to economic punishment against those actions just business as usual
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