• 13 Arrested as Pro-Trump, anti-Trump protesters clash in Berkeley, California
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[quote] (CNN)At least 13 people were arrested as pro-Trump and anti-Trump protestors clashed Saturday at a park in Berkeley, California, police said. "A large number of fights have occurred and numerous fireworks have been thrown in the crowds," Berkeley police said in a statement. "There have also been numerous reports of pepper spray being used in the crowd." CNN affiliate KPIX reported that Trump supporters planned a "Patriot Day" rally at noon and counter-protesters showed up a few hours earlier. [/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/us/berkeley-protests-trump/index.html[/url] [img]http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170415161642-berkeley-protesters-01-exlarge-169.jpg[/img] [img]http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170415162407-01-berkeley-brawl-0415-exlarge-169.jpg[/img]
Feels like we're reliving the 60s..
Somehow again, Berkeley police let it get out of hand and did nothing.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52110162]Somehow again, Berkeley police let it get out of hand and did nothing.[/QUOTE] Tbh I was wondering why on the stream the police weren't doing anything when large fireworks we're being thrown into the crowds.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;52110106]Feels like we're reliving the 60s..[/QUOTE] Except this time both sides are violent.
that first pic looks a bit like a renaissance painting
[QUOTE=TheFishyG;52110466]that first pic looks a bit like a renaissance painting[/QUOTE] CNN. [I]The Battle of Anti-Trumps and Pro-Trumps in Berkeley[/I]. 2017. Photograph. The Louvre of Idiots. [editline]15th April 2017[/editline] Fuck I can't do citations
[QUOTE=Bradyns;52110106]Feels like we're reliving the 60s..[/QUOTE] Lots of people seem to forget how violent the 60's and 70's were. [url=http://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/]1971 to 1972, the FBI counted roughly 2,500 bombings on US Soil[/url]. With the amount of political anger flying in the air from all spectrums, it's really just a matter of time before someone starts acting out on their anger. Being that we are in the Age of Information, we'll eventually start seeing far more dangerous weapons being deployed outside of the run of the mill things like pipe bombs, pressure cookers, ect.
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;52110395]Except this time both sides are violent.[/QUOTE] like the 60s?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52110564]Lots of people seem to forget how violent the 60's and 70's were. [url=http://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/]1971 to 1972, the FBI counted roughly 2,500 bombings on US Soil[/url]. With the amount of political anger flying in the air from all spectrums, it's really just a matter of time before someone starts acting out on their anger. Being that we are in the Age of Information, we'll eventually start seeing far more dangerous weapons being deployed outside of the run of the mill things like pipe bombs, pressure cookers, ect.[/QUOTE] I could see all this and more coming back very soon
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52110162]Somehow again, Berkeley police let it get out of hand and did nothing.[/QUOTE] The police here really kinda suck in my experience.
Look at these roving gangs of feral whites, destroying their own neighborhoods! Yet leaders of the white community almost outright sit on their hands and let white-on-white violence plunge their communities into chaos.
[video=youtube;z4ftMf35LTw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ftMf35LTw&feature=youtu.be[/video] Found some footage I find it very difficult to sympathise with the anti-fa people. "I know you don't speak for the entire group, but do you condemn the throwing of fireworks at people?" "The revolution isn't easy" I mean i hate them, but i always try to only give them shit when there's something from that particular assembly to pin on them. And man, that's something.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52111806][video=youtube;z4ftMf35LTw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ftMf35LTw&feature=youtu.be[/video] Found some footage I find it very difficult to sympathise with the anti-fa people. "I know you don't speak for the entire group, but do you condemn the throwing of fireworks at people?" "The revolution isn't easy" I mean i hate them, but i always try to only give them shit when there's something from that particular assembly to pin on them. And man, that's something.[/QUOTE] I don't like antifa either but using Tim Pool to form your own opinion is not a good idea. He puts antifa in the spotlight but hardly asks questions to the pro-trump protesters, who will probably sound like idiots on camera too. I mean seriously just check out the kekistan flag at 3:48, it's really unfortunate he didn't ask the guy holding the flag any questions.
These people remind me of the two dudes from the Skub comic. No matter how much they bludgeon each other nothing on Capitol Hill will change. What purpose could their marches possibly serve? Also fuck skub.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52111806][video=youtube;z4ftMf35LTw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ftMf35LTw&feature=youtu.be[/video] Found some footage I find it very difficult to sympathise with the anti-fa people. "I know you don't speak for the entire group, but do you condemn the throwing of fireworks at people?" "The revolution isn't easy" I mean i hate them, but i always try to only give them shit when there's something from that particular assembly to pin on them. And man, that's something.[/QUOTE] I wish they'd stop calling alt-right rallys "free speech" rallys.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52111806][video=youtube;z4ftMf35LTw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ftMf35LTw&feature=youtu.be[/video] Found some footage I find it very difficult to sympathise with the anti-fa people. "I know you don't speak for the entire group, but do you condemn the throwing of fireworks at people?" "The revolution isn't easy" I mean i hate them, but i always try to only give them shit when there's something from that particular assembly to pin on them. And man, that's something.[/QUOTE] Dont believe propaganda
Looks like a fun larping event
Berkeley is the gift that just keeps on giving.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;52112157]I wish they'd stop calling alt-right rallys "free speech" rallys.[/QUOTE] That's how propaganda works: you try to make yourselves look as good as possible and the other side look as bad as possible. "Well this rally is *absolutely* about freedom of speech! Anybody who attacks us is *clearly* against it and America! Just ignore our fucking abhorrent beliefs..." The Antifa needs to play catch-up as far as that game is concerned. Their propaganda department is sorely lacking, and they don't do a very good job at presenting themselves in a positive light to the public.
How do you put macing people, throwing bricks, and destroying property in a positive light.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52112597]How do you put macing people, throwing bricks, and destroying property in a positive light.[/QUOTE] You tone down the indiscriminate destructive acts first off. Targeted action is fine, and it's effective-- as any political scientist will tell you. No more of this rioting shit though and just running around destroying stuff for the sake of destruction. All that does is turn large swathes of people against you, and it gives your opponents ammunition. Second, you change your presentation: dress/wardrobe, slogans, the banners and symbols you use, etc. The goal is intimidation, but running around in ski masks, all-black uniforms, etc. comes across as being too intimidating and aggressive. The ski masks and face covers I understand from at least a tactical point of view; it helps prevent identification if things get serious. If I had my pick, I'd like to see these people dress more like private security: not really wearing uniforms, but something along the lines of business attire (but practical attire, so if they have to fight they can and it won't impede their ability; no high-heels for women or skirts, for example). Also, no more of the anarchist/communist stuff. Not publicly. That draws too much attention, comes across as being edgy, and in general is just going to alienate people; stick to the stars and stripes, and present yourselves as being Americans with an all-American movement. Third, start explaining to people why your movement is standing up against the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right is literally made up of a bunch of fucking neo-Nazis. Thing is, most are smart enough to know better than to come right out and call themselves neo-Nazis, wave swastikas around, shout explicative slogans, etc. They know if they did, they'd be shut down and turned against in a heartbeat. This needs to be hammered home harder than anything by Antifa: "We're a *reaction* to these people. They're against America, everything that is American, and they will destroy us if given the chance. They advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide, they think anybody who isn't white is inferior to them, they will force radical Christianity on you if they have the opportunity, etc." Appeal to minorities shouldn't be terribly difficult, since the Alt-Right continually puts them down (and that's true whether we're talking Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor and American Renaissance, etc.). Also, they're going to have to start being more savvy as far as the law, self-defense, community outreach, etc. are concerned. Law and self-defense matter when it comes to activities like this, especially when violence breaks out. The movement needs to be educated enough to be able to defend itself both in a physical sense as well as in a judicial one. Community outreach is very important here-- things like food drives, clothing drives, litter cleanup, holiday events, fun activities in general. You want to send the message that you're welcoming and compassionate people who genuinely care about their community, this country, and who just want to help out others. If you can do that, ordinary people will start to sympathize with you. If you do get into trouble, they'll be more likely to run to your aid and defend you and your cause, perhaps even join it. Just a few thoughts. Nothing in-depth, more of a rough outline of some of the more obvious improvements that could be made. They really need to work on making themselves less of a niche thing and more of a mainstream movement; that's the overall idea here. Good propaganda (or good advertising, if you'd prefer that term instead) is necessary for this to occur.
[QUOTE=Govna;52112723]You tone down the indiscriminate destructive acts first off. Targeted action is fine, and it's effective-- as any political scientist will tell you. No more of this rioting shit though and just running around destroying stuff for the sake of destruction. All that does is turn large swathes of people against you, and it gives your opponents ammunition. Second, you change your presentation: dress/wardrobe, slogans, the banners and symbols you use, etc. The goal is intimidation, but running around in ski masks, all-black uniforms, etc. comes across as being too intimidating and aggressive. The ski masks and face covers I understand from at least a tactical point of view; it helps prevent identification if things get serious. If I had my pick, I'd like to see these people dress more like private security: not really wearing uniforms, but something along the lines of business attire (but practical attire, so if they have to fight they can and it won't impede their ability; no high-heels for women or skirts, for example). Also, no more of the anarchist/communist stuff. Not publicly. That draws too much attention, comes across as being edgy, and in general is just going to alienate people; stick to the stars and stripes, and present yourselves as being Americans with an all-American movement. Third, start explaining to people why your movement is standing up against the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right is literally made up of a bunch of fucking neo-Nazis. Thing is, most are smart enough to know better than to come right out and call themselves neo-Nazis, wave swastikas around, shout explicative slogans, etc. They know if they did, they'd be shut down and turned against in a heartbeat. This needs to be hammered home harder than anything by Antifa: "We're a *reaction* to these people. They're against America, everything that is American, and they will destroy us if given the chance. They advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide, they think anybody who isn't white is inferior to them, they will force radical Christianity on you if they have the opportunity, etc." Appeal to minorities shouldn't be terribly difficult, since the Alt-Right continually puts them down (and that's true whether we're talking Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor and American Renaissance, etc.). Also, they're going to have to start being more savvy as far as the law, self-defense, community outreach, etc. are concerned. Law and self-defense matter when it comes to activities like this, especially when violence breaks out. The movement needs to be educated enough to be able to defend itself both in a physical sense as well as in a judicial one. Community outreach is very important here-- things like food drives, clothing drives, litter cleanup, holiday events, fun activities in general. You want to send the message that you're welcoming and compassionate people who genuinely care about their community, this country, and who just want to help out others. If you can do that, ordinary people will start to sympathize with you. If you do get into trouble, they'll be more likely to run to your aid and defend you and your cause, perhaps even join it. Just a few thoughts. Nothing in-depth, more of a rough outline of some of the more obvious improvements that could be made. They really need to work on making themselves less of a niche thing and more of a mainstream movement; that's the overall idea here. Good propaganda (or good advertising, if you'd prefer that term instead) is necessary for this to occur.[/QUOTE] You basically hit the nail on the head as to why it's paradoxically oftentimes easier to defend right-wing protesters than antifa. The right wingers know how to make themselves appear presentable even if their views suck shit. The left apparently does not, and that's goddamn tragic. Now just find a way to make these points to them without getting called a 'concern troll'. :why:
[QUOTE=froztshock;52112756]You basically hit the nail on the head as to why it's paradoxically oftentimes easier to defend right-wing protesters than antifa. The right wingers know how to make themselves appear presentable even if their views suck shit. The left apparently does not, and that's goddamn tragic. Now just find a way to make these points to them without getting called a 'concern troll'. :why:[/QUOTE] "The left" does not? I don't think these assholes represent anyone, especially not me. Just call them what they are, violent assholes who are looking for trouble. Also the extreme right in the US has had people who have killed people and committed terrorist attacks, the extreme left hasn't.
[QUOTE=Govna;52112723]You tone down the indiscriminate destructive acts first off. Targeted action is fine, and it's effective-- as any political scientist will tell you. No more of this rioting shit though and just running around destroying stuff for the sake of destruction. All that does is turn large swathes of people against you, and it gives your opponents ammunition. Second, you change your presentation: dress/wardrobe, slogans, the banners and symbols you use, etc. The goal is intimidation, but running around in ski masks, all-black uniforms, etc. comes across as being too intimidating and aggressive. The ski masks and face covers I understand from at least a tactical point of view; it helps prevent identification if things get serious. If I had my pick, I'd like to see these people dress more like private security: not really wearing uniforms, but something along the lines of business attire (but practical attire, so if they have to fight they can and it won't impede their ability; no high-heels for women or skirts, for example). Also, no more of the anarchist/communist stuff. Not publicly. That draws too much attention, comes across as being edgy, and in general is just going to alienate people; stick to the stars and stripes, and present yourselves as being Americans with an all-American movement. Third, start explaining to people why your movement is standing up against the Alt-Right. The Alt-Right is literally made up of a bunch of fucking neo-Nazis. Thing is, most are smart enough to know better than to come right out and call themselves neo-Nazis, wave swastikas around, shout explicative slogans, etc. They know if they did, they'd be shut down and turned against in a heartbeat. This needs to be hammered home harder than anything by Antifa: "We're a *reaction* to these people. They're against America, everything that is American, and they will destroy us if given the chance. They advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide, they think anybody who isn't white is inferior to them, they will force radical Christianity on you if they have the opportunity, etc." Appeal to minorities shouldn't be terribly difficult, since the Alt-Right continually puts them down (and that's true whether we're talking Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor and American Renaissance, etc.). Also, they're going to have to start being more savvy as far as the law, self-defense, community outreach, etc. are concerned. Law and self-defense matter when it comes to activities like this, especially when violence breaks out. The movement needs to be educated enough to be able to defend itself both in a physical sense as well as in a judicial one. Community outreach is very important here-- things like food drives, clothing drives, litter cleanup, holiday events, fun activities in general. You want to send the message that you're welcoming and compassionate people who genuinely care about their community, this country, and who just want to help out others. If you can do that, ordinary people will start to sympathize with you. If you do get into trouble, they'll be more likely to run to your aid and defend you and your cause, perhaps even join it. Just a few thoughts. Nothing in-depth, more of a rough outline of some of the more obvious improvements that could be made. They really need to work on making themselves less of a niche thing and more of a mainstream movement; that's the overall idea here. Good propaganda (or good advertising, if you'd prefer that term instead) is necessary for this to occur.[/QUOTE] The fact that you and antifa think everyone on the right is secretly a neo-nazi is one of many reasons why no one will take antifa seriously.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;52112893]The fact that you and antifa think everyone on the right is secretly a neo-nazi is one of many reasons why no one will take antifa seriously.[/QUOTE] Im pretty sure he was only talking about the alt-right
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52112861]the extreme left hasn't.[/QUOTE] Dallas? Assata Shakur? Black Panthers? The various pro-Communist attacks throughout the 60-80's? These never happened eh
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;52112861]"The left" does not? I don't think these assholes represent anyone, especially not me. Just call them what they are, violent assholes who are looking for trouble. Also the extreme right in the US has had people who have killed people and committed terrorist attacks, [B]the extreme left hasn't[/B].[/QUOTE] Good joke. Weathermen, Animal Liberation Front, Earth Liberation Front, you are also ignoring the post I made about the terrorist bombings... Majority of which were done in the name of Socialist/Communist concepts. I seriously could probably document 100's of groups from memory that are responsible for criminal activities, but if you were to look at my post regarding the 2,500 bombings in 71' - 72', almost all of them were done by leftist groups.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;52112893]The fact that you and antifa think everyone on the right is secretly a neo-nazi is one of many reasons why no one will take antifa seriously.[/QUOTE] [quote]Third, start explaining to people why your movement is standing up against the [b]Alt-Right[/b]. The [b]Alt-Right[/b] is literally made up of a bunch of fucking neo-Nazis.[/quote] You have terrible reading comprehension.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;52112893]The fact that you and antifa think everyone on the right is secretly a neo-nazi is one of many reasons why no one will take antifa seriously.[/QUOTE] Compared to the politics of other MEDCs? The American right are pretty much all veering into neo-nazi tier nationalists, or actual neo-nazis. You seem to forget just how right wing your country actually is. Hint: your "left" is considered our "right" for the most part.
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