• Brexit spreads across Europe: Italy, France, Holland and Denmark ALL call for referendums
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[QUOTE=Maestro Fenix;50585056]We backstabbed several of them first, the EU just finished them. Remember that the lose of the nowdays industries like the solar energy one were made by the actual government and not from the EU. They just tell us to make cuts, no where (why they don't complain when we cut the public healthcare instead of fighting corruption is another topic). The EU needs deep reforms, and those aren't going to be changed if we chicken out.[/QUOTE] Oh of course, it was a combination of our fuckups + the EU, but for example the olive oil industry currently produces much less than it could, the blast furnace industry died. This was not before the crisis, it happened before.
Trump gets elected. America becomes isolationist. US pulls out of Europe and Asia. UK vote to leave EU Other EU countries leave. EU collapses. Economic turmoil. Russia invades Europe. China invades the Pacific. World War 3 begins. It's like the setup to a shitty RTS
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;50585464]Trump gets elected. America becomes isolationist. US pulls out of Europe and Asia. UK vote to leave EU Other EU countries leave. EU collapses. Economic turmoil. Russia invades Europe. China invades the Pacific. World War 3 begins. It's like the setup to a shitty RTS[/QUOTE] if Saudia Arabia and Iran nuke each other this year we will definitively exist in a Tom Clancy game
[QUOTE=Cone;50585525]if Saudia Arabia and Iran nuke each other this year we will definitively exist in a Tom Clancy game[/QUOTE] Also Pakistan and India nuke each other. Israel can come too.
Nice of Europe to come and make America feel like we're not the only ones who should be completely embarrassed.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;50585596]Nice of Europe to come and make America feel like we're not the only ones who should be completely embarrassed.[/QUOTE] Like father, like son.
[QUOTE=The fox;50584479]Hopefully this will lead to more votes across the union, I have a feeling much tighter regulations making it nearly impossible to leave will come into place after Britain.[/QUOTE] Why are you in favour of the EU breaking up?
He is anti establishment, regardless of establishment.
I've heard the notion that the EU is undemocratic quite a lot recently. Where is it coming from? It sure isn't as direct as more local administrations, but the citizens still have an important input through the europarliament and their elected prime ministers. Considering the number and differences between the members is it really undemocratic?
what a time to be alive.
[QUOTE=Deljade;50586191]I've heard the notion that the EU is undemocratic quite a lot recently. Where is it coming from? It sure isn't as direct as more local administrations, but the citizens still have an important input through the europarliament and their elected prime ministers. Considering the number and differences between the members is it really undemocratic?[/QUOTE] Yes. I would say that an organisation which you cannot vote for the only body that can propose laws is pretty undemocratic.
FRexit? FRescapade? EUROvoir? This is a goldmine
[QUOTE=OneFourth;50587140]FRexit? FRescapade? EUROvoir? This is a goldmine[/QUOTE] Italeave? Offstria? Goland?
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50587055]Yes. I would say that an organisation which you cannot vote for the only body that can propose laws is pretty undemocratic.[/QUOTE] Still, both the elected head of states and the elected parliament have a say in the formation of the commission. Do you suggest the people directly voting for them would be better? Maybe something completely different? Maybe ditch the whole union idea altogether?
[QUOTE=The fox;50584479]Hopefully this will lead to more votes across the union, I have a feeling much tighter regulations making it nearly impossible to leave will come into place after Britain.[/QUOTE] And what's to stop governments from simply going 'HEy look we don't recognize the Euro or its government within our borders'?[QUOTE=LtKyle2;50584647]I wonder what other chaos lies in wait. Will the states vote to break the union? Will we see the Noreastern states break away into their own commonwealth? Will the South Rise Again? The Lone Star Republic of Texas? The Republic of California? Will Canada annex Washington State, Oregon and Alaska when the union falls? The madness will spread here, especially with Trump in the UK recently supporting the break away from the EU.[/QUOTE] There's a couple key differences between the US and the EU that mean this sort of thing can't happen here. For starters, our states don't have thousands of years of history as independent countries. They, with a couple minor exceptions(IIRC Texas was for a few years in the 19th century its own country while the paperwork for statehood wormed through Congress, and of course there were the Confederate States of America for a few years), have [i]always[/i] been subject to the US Federal Government. Even the proudest of Texans or Tennesseans or Alaskans or whatever will say they love the US. They love their state, but they [i]also[/i] love their country. Atop that, US States cannot function as an independent country right now. There's also the matter of they're simply not allowed to secede anymore. They can't do it. There's no such thing as #Texit because federal law supercedes state law and federal law bans secession.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;50585596]Nice of Europe to come and make America feel like we're not the only ones who should be completely embarrassed.[/QUOTE] Watching people in Britain vote to leave the EU brings about the same reaction I imagine British people have about Trump being the Republican nominee for president of the US.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50587344]Watching people in Britain vote to leave the EU brings about the same reaction I imagine British people have about Trump being the president of the US.[/QUOTE]
I like the idea of a unified Europe. But the EU is a bureaucratic monster if you ask me. Citizens can't even vote to decide who the next EU President will become. I was always under the impression that the EU countries were like states in the US (not identical obviously but still similar concept) and that we together elect a leader. But turns out the leaders are all picked internally without the public having a say. Which is kind of shit. Edit: Good to see it was brought up by somebody else too.
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;50587352].[/QUOTE] I still have hope that my fellow Americans aren't quite that stupid.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50587448]I still have hope that my fellow Americans aren't quite that stupid.[/QUOTE] You sure about that?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50587448]I still have hope that my fellow Americans aren't quite that stupid.[/QUOTE] Thank god our founding fathers didn't. Even if Trump gets the presidency there's only so much damage he can do when the party he's running for hates him and the democratic party is not happy to see him either.
Stop. Fucking stop, please. Stop before we destroy all what has taken generations to build.
Why are we tearing the EU apart wtf
god bless the uneducated masses
[QUOTE=MILKE;50587753]Why are we tearing the EU apart wtf[/QUOTE] Because of political tensions caused by the EU overstepping their bounds and trying to be more than just a trade Union. The best we can hope for IMO is either that the EU promises major reform to appease EU skeptics and goes back to just being an economic Union, or that it falls apart completely and a new Union forms that learned from the mistakes of the old and tries it's best to avoid political controversy. Another poster said it best IMO that this is an economic mistake with the intent to solve a political problem.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50583069][media]https://twitter.com/FranceTopDaily/status/746246287658352641[/media] [url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682966/EU-referendum-Brexit-France-calls-emergency-meeting-Francois-Hollande[/url] So... yeah.[/QUOTE] hold the fucking phone the president of france is named [B]Franc[/B]ois [B]Holland[/B]e that's silly
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50587829]Because of political tensions caused by the EU overstepping their bounds and trying to be more than just a trade Union. The best we can hope for IMO is either that the EU promises major reform to appease EU skeptics and goes back to just being an economic Union, or that it falls apart completely and a new Union forms that learned from the mistakes of the old and tries it's best to avoid political controversy. Another poster said it best IMO that this is an economic mistake with the intent to solve a political problem.[/QUOTE] The EU was never meant to be just a trade union, I'm not sure where you got that from. It was formed to foster cooperation between member states, and to break down the nationalist tendencies that had plagued Europe for centuries prior, dragging it into dozens of needless wars. With the exit of UK, progress on this front has been set back by decades. It's a sad, sad day for international relations.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50582665][URL]http://geertwilders.nl/index.php/94-english/1999-pvv-congratulates-british-with-independence-day[/URL][/QUOTE] You really should not believe anything this retard says. Nobody vote's for him anyway. He is always high in the polls but low in the parliament. I suspect the one's filling in the polls are also the one's that have most time to fill in said polls. (AKA Jobless people with no education)
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50587829]Because of political tensions caused by the EU overstepping their bounds and trying to be more than just a trade Union. The best we can hope for IMO is either that the EU promises major reform to appease EU skeptics and goes back to just being an economic Union, or that it falls apart completely and a new Union forms that learned from the mistakes of the old and tries it's best to avoid political controversy. Another poster said it best IMO that this is an economic mistake with the intent to solve a political problem.[/QUOTE] [quote]"The Heads of State or Government, on the basis of an awareness of a common destiny and the wish to affirm the European identity, confirm their commitment to progress towards an ever closer union among the peoples and Member States of the European Community."[/quote] At what point did anyone have any expectations that this was going to be limited to the minimal requirements for a trade union? It has literally never been that. ECSC was a trade union, the EU is aimed to solve many problems beyond that point.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50583487]Iceland, Norway and Switzerland are doing just fine without the EU, what makes you think you won't "survive" on your own? You guys will be alright, your economy is way stronger than you think.[/QUOTE] Well your example's can all be undermined relatively easy: Iceland pays nothing for energy and heat due to their geothermal wells. They also have only 300k people so big economics dont really apply to them. Norway was one of the poorest country's in Europe before they found an absolute shitload of oil. Switzerland's economy has been based on being out of the loop/laws since the 1800's and therefore could make a shitload of money by housing all the money of country's who are actually making it but are bound by law. You cant have 10 Switzerlands. Not saying this could not go OK for the UK. Time will tell. [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;50583527]Dude if Italy leaves the EU we'd go back to using the Lira. Life was so fucking cheap back then. One euro is 2000 lire, and until three decades ago you could get a coffee at a bar for just 50/100 lire. That's less than 5 cents in euros. [editline]24th June 2016[/editline] #MakeItaliaGreatAgain[/QUOTE] Well if a coffee is worth 5 eurocents worth of Lira's in Italy and 1 euro in the rest of the world. Your coin will be extremely worthless. So you will be buying Ipads that are not made in Italy for 160.000.00 lire then. Or 320.000 cups of coffee The equivalent of 8000€ in the rest of the worlds coffee prices. [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=lintz;50584616]90% of modern politics is self masturbatory emotional kneejerk responses. that's how they get votes[/QUOTE] I dont think it was ever really any different. Thats why you need a system that makes changes go slow. So people have time to react and be educated instead of just kneejerk. A binding referendum is the exact opposite from slow btw.
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