• Millions sign petition urging Electoral College to elect Hillary Clinton
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[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51358281]Given the somewhat skewed perspective a lot of people have towards Trump, is it possible the electoral college could end up electing Hillary anyways? Doubtlessly, riots would crop up but it's possible, right?[/QUOTE] yes. this possibility is why the thread (and petition) was made, and its the antithesis of the argument saying 'its over'
And if the electoral college elects Clinton then what? The unrest is going to be even worse and it's going to be led by Trump's second amendment people this time.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;51358295]And if the electoral college elects Clinton then what? The unrest is going to be even worse and it's going to be led by Trump's second amendment people this time.[/QUOTE] Yes. Ex military people with oathkeeper bent. Definitely not the people to encourage into rebellion.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;51358295]And if the electoral college elects Clinton then what? The unrest is going to be even worse and it's going to be led by Trump's second amendment people this time.[/QUOTE] But Trump supporters are above that, they wouldn't mob and riot like the SJWs just because they didn't get what they wanted.
I actually think trump supporters would not protest in any major way if trump lost. Trump winning came as a surprise to pretty much everyone. I think what makes clinton supporters especially angry is the fact that they feel cheated. They feel cheated they lost when they thought they were going to win, and they feel cheated they lost even though they got more votes.
[QUOTE=Darknclaw;51358269]Suck it up and deal with it is my view on it, your side lost so get on with life. i never saw any mass republican protests when obama won nor a petition to make it super easy to dominate, then again thats probly the plan...[/QUOTE] Republicans didn't protest because the rights they thought they'd lose (gun rights) are just a hobby (and they know that, no matter how much they pretend otherwise), and life goes on without that. The rights that are being threatened now are the right to marriage, the right to not be fired because of who you love, and the fact that these were won less than half a decade ago, after several decades of fighting for them. But nah, those liberals are just whiny cry babies amirite?
Guys you would need 38 faithless electors. The last time there was more than 30 was in the 1800s when the candidate died before the vote, and even then 3 voted for him. Not to mention the 20th century when you usually had 1 every 8 years.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51358354]But nah, those liberals are just whiny cry babies amirite?[/QUOTE] Yes, yes they are. They are literally crying and needing safe space therapy to cope with not getting their way. This kind of behavior should not be tolerated for the first election the majority of millennials are participating in. Man the fuck up, and move on.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51356971]I can't help but wonder how many people say "The majority were for Clinton by 160,000" but also say that "1.9% (1,250,000 votes) isn't enough of a margin" for Brexit. You cheeky ninja fok[/QUOTE] A presidential election isn't the same as a constitutional amendment. I'm perfectly happy with direct democracy electing a president or prime minister (although I'm not such a fan of FPTP) but brexit, and by extension any constitutional amendment, requires a supermajority for a reason. You can change your president in four years - it's essentially impossible for us to rejoin the EU after we leave.
[QUOTE=sannys;51358311]I actually think trump supporters would not protest in any major way if trump lost. [/QUOTE] I doubt it. Like I said, many constitutionally minded militia members might see a Clinton win as a sign the republic has ceased to function as intended. With as many scandals haunting Hillary, she would ve been seen as part of the establishment usurping the will of the people via corruption. They would've seen the Clinton win as high time to "refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Why? A person with as little credibility and trust such as Clinton gaining office would've been seen as illegitimate. The last thing this nation needs a bunch of ex military, aiming to over throw the government.
This situation is very similar to brexit, the parliament (I think) still have to vote to leave the EU when Britain finally wants to leave, but can you imagine the shit storm that would occur if the electoral college or the parliament goes against election results? It would be fucking mayhem and result in even more hatred towards the system and the establishment which is today a big enough problem, people not trusting the politicians they elect.
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;51356784]Would like like to take that risk, or would you rather fight to get someone who doesn't brag about molesting women into the White House?[/QUOTE] Do you not believe in forgiveness? Do you think that once people say things, they believe what they say forever? That people cannot change? A lot can happen in a few years for a person. They can change drastically. Look at the candidates as humans and not caricatures of evil and malice, and you might be able to realize that he's probably not the same as he was back then.
[QUOTE=Komodoh;51358418]Yes, yes they are. They are literally crying and needing safe space therapy to cope with not getting their way. This kind of behavior should not be tolerated for the first election the majority of millennials are participating in. Man the fuck up, and move on.[/QUOTE] Man the fuck up over losing your rights huh? I should just man up that my relationship with my partner has lasted longer than the my right to marry my partner has been around, and the new administration has promised to strip me of. Man, where were you when the right thought Obama was going to come steal all their guns. Were you telling them to man up and deal with it? Were you calling them whiny babies when McCain and Romney voters were threatening to shoot anyone that came to take their guns? Or are you just being a hypocrite that lacks the ability to see from any other perspective? (Hint: I've seen your posts. Its the latter)
[QUOTE]Man the fuck up over losing your rights huh? I should just man up that my relationship with my partner has lasted longer than the my right to marry my partner has been around, and the new admi istration has promised to get rid of. [/QUOTE] I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51358531]I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you even going on about? Are you actually, seriously trying to say that I don't care that the next leaders of this country have promised to take away my right to marry my partner? Holy shit lol [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] How do I even respond to that? You actually think you know what I want better than I do? Is that what you have to resort to?
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51358531]I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.[/QUOTE] You can't make sweeping generalizations about an entire political affiliation and expect anyone to feel bad when it happens to you too.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51358531]I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.[/QUOTE] Oh, the GOP! Nothing says compassion like forcing women to give birth (with no provision to provide for their progeny), defunding public schools, taxing the poor for foodstuffs and hygiene products, ...
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;51359284]Oh, the GOP! Nothing says compassion like forcing women to give birth (with no provision to provide for their progeny), defunding public schools, taxing the poor for foodstuffs and hygiene products, ...[/QUOTE] We're the party of small government! Now we're going to invade your personal life because we can't have you marrying someone we don't approve of, or having sex in a way we don't approve of, or having an operation done that we don't approve of. Aren't those pesky democrats just too invasive with their silly regulations? Yeah small government!
[QUOTE=pentium;51356736]Give it up you lost. lol Try again in four years.[/QUOTE] I posted outta anger, and shouldn't have done that. I'll man up and own to it, but I still stand by what I said. America runs alot of this, when shit gets bad here in America, it catches like fire and gets everyone else to. That's what I meant. Think about it, and you'll get what I'm saying. When we got into this war, we dragged everyone we could with us, on some holy oil crusade. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Pascall))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;51359464]I was gonna reply to this, left the page, cooled off, then after reading some more SH threads, I said fuck it. Fuck you dude, just incase you forget your world is our little bitch, and as much as I love you guys, and I am not trying to be mean here, but America runs this[/QUOTE] Somehow I'm not so sure this is going to remain the case after those four years.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51358531]I dont believe you care about rights. I doubt the left does. They use the guilt tripping and passive aggressive bullshit as a way to take, take and take. Once they take everything, is when the abuse sets in. Maybe if you cared so much about individual rights (you dont, you care about group rights) or gave a shit about compassion, it would be extended to all. Not just a few then set up riots in the streets when they don't get their way.[/QUOTE] you're a constant annoyance with posts like this that are baseless and insultingly assumptive.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51359686]you're a constant annoyance with posts like this that are baseless and insultingly assumptive.[/QUOTE] Ignore him dude, he's nothing but a distraction. You're not going to be able to reason with him. [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Arbys Watcher;51358256]He literally said, "[B]Yeah, I [U]guess[/U][/B] so."[/QUOTE] [b]"Yeah"[/b]. He agreed with it, he said yes, that's all that matters. He agreed with Iraq, he agreed with Afghanistan and Libya, and he's not against intervening/using force against Iran and North Korea. Deal with it.
That's pretty undemocratic. Then again, so is the electoral college itself, in theory you could win the presidency with only 22% of the popular vote.
Fair game to note that people who said Hillary was ahead in the popular vote weren't using the actual figures. I saw 250,000 and 400,000 in the previous pages. She's actually ahead by 600,000 according to wikipedia, which is more than Gore got when he was against Bush. I feel this petition is justified, and the electoral college was specifically founded to stop uneducated people being tricked by someone into voting for them, which is pretty much exactly what happened with Trump's current backpedalling. The EC is fully within it's rights to reject Trump based on what the founding fathers said.
Would there be any consequence for the electoral college doing this?
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51359932]Would there be any consequence for the electoral college doing this?[/QUOTE] Some states require electors to vote as said and have consequences If you ignore the trumpet riots then no, apart from those states' electors it would be system working as described so no consequence from inside the system [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] The rest of the states would make legislations too so it is a one shot move
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51359932]Would there be any consequence for the electoral college doing this?[/QUOTE] Its their constitutional right to be able to do this. The only thing we've seen are their pledges, states technically can't void votes that go counter but they can punish them. [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] Remember people, the US is NOT a democracy, it is a republic. [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Trebgarta;51360115]Some states require electors to vote as said and have consequences If you ignore the trumpet riots then no, apart from those states' electors it would be system working as described so no consequence from inside the system [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] The rest of the states would make legislations too so it is a one shot move[/QUOTE] It is not a one shot move. Its currently untested whether or not states can void the votes, but its likely it'd be made unconstitutional because the electoral college is a federal system.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51358523]Man the fuck up over losing your rights huh? I should just man up that my relationship with my partner has lasted longer than the my right to marry my partner has been around, and the new administration has promised to strip me of. Man, where were you when the right thought Obama was going to come steal all their guns. Were you telling them to man up and deal with it? Were you calling them whiny babies when McCain and Romney voters were threatening to shoot anyone that came to take their guns? Or are you just being a hypocrite that lacks the ability to see from any other perspective? (Hint: I've seen your posts. Its the latter)[/QUOTE] when did the new administration promise to strip your right to marry? even scalia didnt tip it
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51360126] Remember people, the US is NOT a democracy, it is a republic. [/QUOTE] [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1541345&p=51358799&viewfull=1#post51358799"]Please dont say that[/URL] [QUOTE=Map in a box;51360126] It is not a one shot move. Its currently untested whether or not states can void the votes, but its likely it'd be made unconstitutional because the electoral college is a federal system.[/QUOTE] Then the feds would legislate
[QUOTE=OneFourth;51360291]when did the new administration promise to strip your right to marry? even scalia didnt tip it[/QUOTE] Trump has stated he is not in favour of the federal ruling and wants states to handle it which is rife with it's own problems.
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